100NLHU set on flushy board

[pleno1]

Against losing reg that likes to 3bet alot. Started barrelling alot but recently been checking behind turns/rivers. First c/r of the whole match which has been around 150-200 hands. Picked off three bluffs when he had bet $12 into $16 on river. Thoughts here, b/f, c/c/, c/f, b/c, c/r.


Seat 1: cusetown315 ($158.35)
Seat 2: pads1161 ($191.75)
cusetown315 posts the small blind of $0.50
pads1161 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
cusetown315 raises to $3
pads1161 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [ ]
pads1161 checks
cusetown315 bets $4
pads1161 raises to $12
cusetown315 calls $8
*** TURN *** [ ] []
pads1161 bets $25
cusetown315 calls $25
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
pads1161 ?

[DMorgan]

Not sure why you're not 3betting here but this should be a 3bet every time. Flop c/r is fine/standard. I like the turn bet sizing and I'd bet/fold $40 on the river

[pleno1]

Hey Dan.

I was 3betting a huge amount (Card rack) and he was folding a super huge %, havn't got HEM up, but he wasn't defending my 3bets at all. I thought it was quite a good hand to call and play the streets as we were starting to get deeper.

Thing with bet folding, what hands do we expect to pay us off? I thought his range was a combination of flushes and showdown cards (8x 1010 and perhaps some 2 pair hands) but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it?

[SuuPRlim]

but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it?

your prolly right, but he'll also chk back all those hands + and I think he has one of these too often to chk

[pleno1]

but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it?

your prolly right, but he'll also chk back all those hands + and I think he has one of these too often to chk

You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us)

[AlexMartin]

Against losing reg that likes to 3bet alot. Started barrelling alot but recently been checking behind turns/rivers. First c/r of the whole match which has been around 150-200 hands. Picked off three bluffs when he had bet $12 into $16 on river. Thoughts here, b/f, c/c/, c/f, b/c, c/r.


Seat 1: cusetown315 ($158.35)
Seat 2: pads1161 ($191.75)
cusetown315 posts the small blind of $0.50
pads1161 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
cusetown315 raises to $3
pads1161 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [ ]
pads1161 checks
cusetown315 bets $4
pads1161 raises to $12
cusetown315 calls $8
*** TURN *** [ ] []
pads1161 bets $25
cusetown315 calls $25
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
pads1161 ?

this is the 1st time you have cr'd this match?
regardless, you should deffo cr bigger and bet turn bigger i think

[AlexMartin]

but I thought my range was either sets/straighsts/flushes, so he would fold all his showdown hands? Or is this a bad way to think of it?

your prolly right, but he'll also chk back all those hands + and I think he has one of these too often to chk

You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us)

agree w this, c/f river as played.

[pleno1]

Against losing reg that likes to 3bet alot. Started barrelling alot but recently been checking behind turns/rivers. First c/r of the whole match which has been around 150-200 hands. Picked off three bluffs when he had bet $12 into $16 on river. Thoughts here, b/f, c/c/, c/f, b/c, c/r.


Seat 1: cusetown315 ($158.35)
Seat 2: pads1161 ($191.75)
cusetown315 posts the small blind of $0.50
pads1161 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
cusetown315 raises to $3
pads1161 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [ ]
pads1161 checks
cusetown315 bets $4
pads1161 raises to $12
cusetown315 calls $8
*** TURN *** [ ] []
pads1161 bets $25
cusetown315 calls $25
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
pads1161 ?

this is the 1st time you have cr'd this match?
regardless, you should deffo cr bigger and bet turn bigger i think

Yeah I'd 3bet alottttttt, when I had peeled I almost always had showdown kinda hands. He had c/r once on k23 and I'd gave up. He had made it $12 after I cbet $4. What do you think is a good c/r size and river size?

I was going for $12, $25 (into $29) and then either $63 or $91 (into $79) depending on river cards.

[silverslick]

Did you consider check calling. It allows him to bluff off. If he has nothing he won't call your bet and gives you more chance to get to showdown.

[pleno1]

Did you consider check calling. It allows him to bluff off. If he has nothing he won't call your bet and gives you more chance to get to showdown.

But I thin he very rarely has air, he either has bluffcatchers/flushes imo, so c/c would probably only be calling against better hands. This is my thought process anyway.

[DMorgan]

I agree that c/c is the worst option

You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us)

I would warn against giving losing players this much credit. People love hero calling and you're almost never going to get bluff raised by a losing reg

[SuuPRlim]

yh imo ur options are

b/f - c/f - c/c in that order and I think c/c is bad

You think he calls with two pair? My c/r range on the flop is probably a mixture of combo draws, j10, spades, sets and two pairs. I surely don't bet 89/58 on this turn/river? So my river value range should be flushes/straights/sets, the latter perhaps not too often, so he needs like j10 minimum to call? (which beats us)

No i agree he'll fold the majority of the time, but I also think his range lies pretty heavily in the direction of 1/2p hands and he'll only need to hero us a pretty small % of the time to show a decent profit I bet/folding i think - assuming he never raises as a bluff which i think he never will.

[cambridgealex]

I agree that bet/fold is the best line. Check/folding isnt great but much better than c/c or anything else. How much is a good amount to bet here?

[AlexMartin]

I agree that bet/fold is the best line. Check/folding isnt great but much better than c/c or anything else. How much is a good amount to bet here?

1/2 pot, its inexploitable as we play all our flushes like this too...............

[Whollyflush]

Usually id b/f the river, however on this board texture it might be better to c/f.