Title: River Bet Sizing? Post by: Rod on January 06, 2011, 05:09:53 PM Hi Guy's
Right I played this hand on Sky Poker so I can't get a proper hand history and will have to explain it all. It is a 6 max 15p/30p game with £30 max buyin. I have about £40 and the Villain covers me. I have 10-10 on the button and it folds to me. I make it £1.20, small blind folds and the BB calls. Flop comes down Q-10-3 rainbow (nice) The BB checks to me and I bet £2 into the £2.55 pot. He calls and the pot is now £6.55 The river is an 8 and puts a flush draw on the board. He checks, I bet £5 into the pot and he calls again The river is 4 and does not complete any flush draw. He checks to me. The pot is £16.55 and I have about £32. I think he has something like AQ or maybe some weird two pair - what is the right size of the bet? Have I played all of the streets right (I think it is fine up to this point)? Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: BulldozerD on January 06, 2011, 05:11:27 PM make it £9.99
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: outragous76 on January 06, 2011, 05:12:05 PM looks fine 2/3 pot should get paid - you could even bet like half pot if you think it might induce a shove
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: GreekStein on January 06, 2011, 05:15:32 PM I open to 3x pre here on the button. 4x is too much i think in 6m cash with no limpers, in position with the nuts.
I bet like 11.55 now Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 06, 2011, 05:20:14 PM £21.25
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: gatso on January 06, 2011, 05:42:22 PM sky has a '3/4 pot' button doesn't it? I just press this in all honesty as I'm pretty lazy and it's about the right amount
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: toddswain on January 06, 2011, 05:51:23 PM £13.50
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: Rod on January 06, 2011, 05:53:56 PM Great thanks guy's
I bet £12 which seems about right - he called with K-Q. A few people thought I could have overbet here but probably would not have got paid, just wanted to check some thoughts on it. Cheers Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: JK on January 06, 2011, 05:58:19 PM Nah value betting 100% of the time here. Never really overbetting in this spot. He doesnt have many 2 pair combos OTR, your hoping he just levels himself into calling with one pair hands.
£12 seems good to me Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 06, 2011, 06:16:12 PM Nah value betting 100% of the time here. Never really overbetting in this spot. He doesnt have many 2 pair combos OTR, your hoping he just levels himself into calling with one pair hands. £12 seems good to me Exactly, we shouldn't do this with AA/KK because he probably folds Qx, so because we shouldn't do this, we should. Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 06, 2011, 06:52:03 PM Nah value betting 100% of the time here. Never really overbetting in this spot. He doesnt have many 2 pair combos OTR, your hoping he just levels himself into calling with one pair hands. £12 seems good to me Exactly, we shouldn't do this with AA/KK because he probably folds Qx, so because we shouldn't do this, we should. [ ] Folds Tx on Skypoker Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 06, 2011, 06:53:49 PM Nah value betting 100% of the time here. Never really overbetting in this spot. He doesnt have many 2 pair combos OTR, your hoping he just levels himself into calling with one pair hands. £12 seems good to me Exactly, we shouldn't do this with AA/KK because he probably folds Qx, so because we shouldn't do this, we should. [ ] Folds Tx on Skypoker I am advocating the overbet incase you got my post mixed up. Was saying he doesnt fold Qx, but 10x too most likely. Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 06, 2011, 07:00:28 PM Nah value betting 100% of the time here. Never really overbetting in this spot. He doesnt have many 2 pair combos OTR, your hoping he just levels himself into calling with one pair hands. £12 seems good to me Exactly, we shouldn't do this with AA/KK because he probably folds Qx, so because we shouldn't do this, we should. [ ] Folds Tx on Skypoker I am advocating the overbet incase you got my post mixed up. Was saying he doesnt fold Qx, but 10x too most likely. Ahh k. Anyway it's Sky, just bet-bet-bet, they have 2nd pair or better they call you. Not many players c/r bluff but some raise or c/r top pair to find out where they are. Also people make comedy peels OOP and peel 3-bets way too light in and out of position. It's highly exploitable. Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: JK on January 06, 2011, 07:01:33 PM Nah value betting 100% of the time here. Never really overbetting in this spot. He doesnt have many 2 pair combos OTR, your hoping he just levels himself into calling with one pair hands. £12 seems good to me Exactly, we shouldn't do this with AA/KK because he probably folds Qx, so because we shouldn't do this, we should. [ ] Folds Tx on Skypoker I am advocating the overbet incase you got my post mixed up. Was saying he doesnt fold Qx, but 10x too most likely. I definately took into consideration the fact we're playing .15/.30, WP me. I retract the statement about overbetting :$ Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: Rod on January 06, 2011, 08:43:01 PM So I should be overbetting here then?
This would not get paid on 'Stars $50nl games I am sure but Sky Poker is quite a bit softer. Bluffing is definately a bad idea. Do you think it is a case of if they call your flop and turn bet on a dry board the best thing to do is just shove? Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: DMorgan on January 06, 2011, 10:37:34 PM £13 unless he's truly terrible in which case I like an overbet
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 07, 2011, 12:28:02 AM my main concern about an overbet is terrible players as opposed to truly terrible players (which most of this would be) will have a big bet = big hand mindset, so overbetting is a risk where betting something around £12 seems a absolute lock to get paiiiid
Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: JK on January 07, 2011, 07:36:24 AM my main concern about an overbet is terrible players as opposed to truly terrible players (which most of this would be) will have a big bet = big hand mindset, so overbetting is a risk where betting something around £12 seems a absolute lock to get paiiiid Was kinda what I was thinking initially, but seen as everyone says sky poker players are stations I'll probably overbet, whereas against random idiots I'd value bet Title: Re: River Bet Sizing? Post by: cambridgealex on January 07, 2011, 09:52:18 AM I'm in the valuebet camp. £11.
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