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Title: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: cambridgealex on January 27, 2011, 07:36:13 AM
Live 1/2. VDecent reg Julian Thew opens early for 7, awful reg Neil Giblin flats, i flat the button playing £300 with  Aspades 2s. Blinds fold. 

3s 4s 4h, Julian cbets £10, Neil calls, hero makes it £45, Julian folds, Neil calls.
 
3d on the turn, Neil checks. Thought this was a bad call to bet again so I checked.
 
2d on the river. Neil bets £55. Hero? Fold? Shove? Call? How about turn line?

 


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: Rupert on January 27, 2011, 08:30:18 AM
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awful reg x flats

jesus christ dont post this

i'd probably just call the flop as played its fine fold the river you arent gonna get him to fold a full house and if hes a bad reg he might not even fold pairs.  problem when flush draws miss is bad players always put you on it.  you very rarely have the best hand on river also


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: cambridgealex on January 27, 2011, 08:40:42 AM
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awful reg x flats

jesus christ dont post this

dw its a level :)


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: Rupert on January 27, 2011, 08:41:53 AM
lol yeh just realised after it might be is he jakally? i played with him a fair bit still would play hand the same we repping very little if we raise the river


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: cambridgealex on January 27, 2011, 09:03:21 AM
lol yeh just realised after it might be is he jakally? i played with him a fair bit still would play hand the same we repping very little if we raise the river

yeh he is. i thought he had to be vbetting a 77-99sort of range. And if I raise I'm only repping quads tbh. Thats the only value hand I play that way. Neil v unlikely to flat a Julian EP open with a 4 in his hand. He knows I'm unlikely to have a 4 either, and I never raise 66-TT on the flop either and 3bet all large pairs pre. So iuno what he puts me on at any point. On the flop I either have 33, 44 or the nut flush draw, (sometimes A4ss  or 45ss I suppose) so imo I don't like his call on the flop oop. Dunno why he'd bet 77-99 on the river either given my perceived range. Confused.


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: burnst on January 27, 2011, 04:55:44 PM
was your £300 covered in both spots? did you have both of them covered?

I don't see how that's not a good turn to fire on.


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 27, 2011, 05:19:49 PM
was your £300 covered in both spots? did you have both of them covered?

I don't see how that's not a good turn to fire on.

yh i agree, Im not sure i would nessercarily raise the flop, but if i did Od almost defo bet this turn


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: jakally on January 27, 2011, 05:23:40 PM
lol yeh just realised after it might be is he jakally? i've owned his soul consistently over the last 2 weeks  but still would play hand the same we repping very little if we raise the river

fyp


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: titaniumbean on January 27, 2011, 05:27:34 PM
raise/peel flop depending on game flow, check turn fold river.


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 27, 2011, 05:30:48 PM
actually I like raising the flop thinking about it

we can get it in vs Julian and have 12-15 clean outs almost always and might even fold out some mid pairs


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: cambridgealex on January 28, 2011, 12:35:16 PM
I folded and Neil showed  Qs Ts. Sighhhhhhhh I don't know whether I like my fold on the river. I don't know what he puts me on. If he puts me on a draw, then he'd check any hand with showdown (A high, 66-TT), If he was value betting then he must have an idea of worse hands that I'll call with. But I never have 55-TT here so my range is either a house or a missed draw. So he wouldn't bet med pairs here, so his bet makes no sense so I should probs have call it off...?


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 28, 2011, 02:30:22 PM
yh, when lines make no sense/people rep ridic thin value i always want to call, but more often than not i'm wrong and they have the ridic thin value they're repping


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: Patonius2000 on January 28, 2011, 03:11:31 PM
Flat the flop or raise the flop and empty the clip.


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: GreekStein on January 28, 2011, 04:33:59 PM
what Pat said, I'm prob betting turn too.

Niel Giblin of team Sky made a good river bet imo.


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: cambridgealex on January 28, 2011, 04:35:51 PM
what Pat said, I'm prob betting turn too.

Niel Giblin of team Sky made a good river bet imo.

-1 ;)


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: jakally on January 28, 2011, 04:47:28 PM
what Pat said, I'm prob betting turn too.

Niel Giblin of team Sky made a good river bet imo.

-1 ;)

My line is pretty bad..... wouldn't have taken that line against a good player obv   
 ;)


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: Royal Flush on January 28, 2011, 06:47:54 PM
How is turn a bad card to bet?


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: GreekStein on January 28, 2011, 06:50:03 PM
you should make a small bet on the turn


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: cambridgealex on January 28, 2011, 08:15:23 PM
How is turn a bad card to bet?

yeh sure have bet the turn i think. i thought board pairing turn cards generally aren't good cards to barrell but in the case I can see the merits. Are we betting to get called by worse draws? Or bluffing off 55-TT? Will this work if he's calling the flop?


Title: Re: Gutshot straight flush draw on double paired board
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 28, 2011, 08:58:35 PM
How is turn a bad card to bet?

yeh sure have bet the turn i think. i thought board pairing turn cards generally aren't good cards to barrell but in the case I can see the merits. Are we betting to get called by worse draws? Or bluffing off 55-TT? Will this work if he's calling the flop?

I dont think you nessercarily need to be betting to fold out/value town certain hands in spots like this, but for your range overall it kind of polarises your range that raises the flop if you're not barrelling a decent amount of turns