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OK so I thought I may as well post my exit hand from UKIPT to see if I butchered the hand/general consensus on my exit hand.

I have 9k from a starting stack of 15k and blinds are 75/150.

Villian 1 is Dan Brown who came second in GUKPT Manchester. Seems decent. Has shown down some decent hands too- doesnt seem to be getting out of line.

Villian 2 has not got out too out of line except in one hand against me where he c/raised turn on a A76K board where I bet flop and turn with 99 in pos. He showed a 5 (fml) when I mucked.

Both villians have circa 20k.

Dan opens from mid position to 425. I flat AK in c/off as does button. Villian 2 in big blind now 3 bets to 1575. Dan tanks flats the 1575.

We?

I hate these spots with AK pre early in tourneys

I think given the 3k in the middle and our 9k stack Im jamming and hoping not to see AA and pref not KK too

All you can eat baby

I 3 bet pre to 1k-1100.

Now that I haven't done that and the button has called and with 3 people already in the pot the BB 3 bets, I fold.

edit; I'm a nit obv so that should be taken into account

knowing how u play ;) an your mindset normally is,you are 110% sticking it all in here in this spot. Good guess ?

u fold Pete?

no no do same as you !

3b fold pre as played get it innnnnnnnn

i actually like the way u played the hand imo

Nicely played IMO enough in the pot to put the rest in I think

in this specific spot 3b/f

3b to 4k and fold to a shove?

mmmmmmmm

any value to flatting here? we never getting called anything we crush

shove

As played jam... ur nicely disguised and it feels squeezey.I think utg rr to get hu with a big hand..If he had AA KK AK would be a huge mistake to risk going 3 way. ... I also prefer to flat early in tourneys with ak

initially, to 1125.

Played fine, now shove.

It's uncomfortable, but I think it's a shove. It's definitely not 3b/fold.

I would deffo 3 bet fold but that's with reads.

Flatting pre is fine but now we are arrrrr eeeeeen

I like the play as well. Not usual for bb to be out of line here but meh he just flatted flop and c/r A-high board holding a 5. This alone means you can't narrow his range to KK/AA. You've done half your stack and this very villain has shown you a bluff so the shove can look tilty from an underrepped hand and maybe can get business from worse. If you get it in vs a pair then seems like a decent coup anyway considering.

I like it. Run better mate

I 4 bet to 4400. BB tank folded before Dan set me in with Jacks. BB said he folded AK (great) but then I flopped a king. YAY!

The turn was a jack. Booooooooo

Generally pre antes I dont like 3 betting pairs/AK/AQ. Just air and the top of my range. Remember this when we are next at the tables

Thx for the input

this has got to be the worst option surely?

played fine although id probably 3bet the original open. I doubt bb ever squeeze folds AQ or even AJ given your line if he has a pulse.

back4raise folding would be horrible obviously, 3bfolding pre is best I think, as we are never getting 4b bluffed, and he will peel a whole range of stuff oop that we can have fun against.

I dont think a shove here can EVER be for value, the jam looks RIDICULOUSLY strong imo so I'd be jamming to hopefully fold out pairs up to TT(maybe JJ) and AK. No1 is calling AQ and obvs QQ+ arent folding.

Im not sure why we'd 4bet fold when we can jam with more FE.

Honestly prefer a peel as played

meh i dont really want to fold and i dont think a jam or 4b/something is profitable... call or fold IMO!

i'd def 3 bet pre tho so much shit they gonna peel you with

ship the rupert +1

Happy Valentines Day

I really did think about folding- I dont like peeling for such a big % if my stack when it may even be 4 way with button to act. As it happens would have worked out pretty perfect but obv not trying to be results orientated

only 1/8th of your chips you nit :p

1/6 actually llildave

Quite Correct. whoops !!

I'm shoving here with the AK after the initial 3 bet and call. I'm guessing with 8.5k left at this point( after the initial call), you are half the average, and there is a chance
that you can still take the pot down pre-flop, or be racing to go back above average. Also, I find it hard to believe that Dan would call here with AA or KK, as the odds on the pot to call almost make a 4 way pot  inevitable should you/cut off choose not to re-raise...

Not sure the jam looks ridic strong considering the line gets action from JJ.

we dont want action from jj?

we dont want action from 22

we are flipping with juice in the pot having already done 33% of our stack in? not happy to flip?

good valid statement as i have many times questionsed myself when i make the right play an feel if i did it differantly the outcome would of been differant.

we'd rather 22 folded than called for sure

me and Jamie just been chatting about this hand, and one thing Iv overlooked r.e. the pro's for jamming is how much EV we gain by getting this Jam through.

Safe to say this is never a jam fir value, nothing worse ever calls, but if we get both players to fold 77-JJ or a pair and AK even 15-20% of the time I imagine we gain such a significant of EV (too late to do the maths, but thats what id guess) Jam and bank the EV ftw now i've been converted

in a tourney, its much much better to win 3000 chips 100% of the time than 20k 50% of the time, considering that when we loose the 20k pot we are out and have lost £500, which lets say for example is worth  £800 in tourney equity, when we win the 20k pot at this stage our tourney equity certainly doesn't increase by £800 (no offence george this would apply to everyone!)

So, no not really that happy to flip, but the jam is plus EV because we're gonna be 40% vs his calling range and if we have to flip so be it ...

getttt therrrrre

it's just sklanskys theory of poker! everytime your opponent makes a mistake we gain, if the hands were face up as JJ and AK then your opponent should call which is why we want them to fold obv

Do you think me 4 betting to 4400 rather than jamming is a mistake or is it effectivley the same thing?

I think jamming is so much stronger than the 4400

i think jamming looks weaker but they pretty much same thing

Really felt like if I jammed I was turning my hand face up. Dont spose it matters cos I dont think villian was ever folding jacks.

 ;)

Villain does fold jacks if villain 2 re-jams. So how villain 2 views the bet is pretty crucial to the dynamic. Jam looks more squeezey after the tank from villain 1 and history of villain 2 showing the bluff but still not sure he goes with it anyway, some would thou, perhaps americans.

I think we're in trouble in villain 2 re-jams personally,