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I've played alot of live poker over the last couple of years and now find myself to be the biggest winner in my local casino so far in 2011. I have seen players come in and 3/4/5bet and I really think it isnt suitable for a live passive cash game.

Kind of made this thread because of somethng I remember James Keys talking about a while ago. You spoke about having a limp/limp raising range. Could you kind of talk a little about it and the merits of limping.

Few examples to help you expand.

4 limpers, you have 83s on button 200bb deep..
Same situation you have 74o
Same situation you have j9s
Same situation you have kq

Limp UTG, you are mp1 and have 89 with 1 good player in the c/o and Spanish fish elsewhere
Same situation you have 77
Same situation you have 22
Same situation you have AQ
Same situation you have a10s

You are UTG with 74s in a 9 handed game with 1 good player in blinds and one good player in the cut off
Same situation you have 99
Same situation you have 34s
Same situation you have KJo

3 limpers with 120bb+ effective, you have AQ in the SB?
Same situation you have 72o
Same situation you have 88
Same situation you have k2o
Same situation you have A9dd

Don't think I have an open limp reraising range.  With certain stack sizes I might flat a strongish-very strong hand and backraise jam.


should add i've done nothing live in many attempts

Few examples to help you expand.

4 limpers, you have 83s on button 200bb deep.. call
Same situation you have 74o call
Same situation you have j9s raise
Same situation you have kq raise

not folding anything otb 200bb's deep

Limp UTG, you are mp1 and have 89 with 1 good player in the c/o and Spanish fish elsewhere call
Same situation you have 77 call
Same situation you have 22 call
Same situation you have AQ raise
Same situation you have a10s raise

You are UTG with 74s in a 9 handed game with 1 good player in blinds and one good player in the cut off fold
Same situation you have 99 raise
Same situation you have 34s fold
Same situation you have KJo raise

3 limpers with 120bb+ effective, you have AQ in the SB? raise -BIG RAISE
Same situation you have 72o call although shud 100% fold
Same situation you have 88 call
Same situation you have k2o call
Same situation you have A9dd call

"Kind of made this thread because of somethng I remember James Keys talking about a while ago. You spoke about having a limp/limp raising range. Could you kind of talk a little about it and the merits of limping."

I limp a ton in live games for three reasons.
Firstly, vs a far weaker average player and a far deeper average stack (usually normally 300-400bb's effective in my local games) there is a ton of value to seeing flops.
Secondly people's ranges to limp behind are often exactly the same as to call an open, so with a ton of marginal hands there is no point in raising because your Cbets generally have far less success so unless you have a hand that flops ridic well there isn't much need o have initiative in the hand
Thirdly, makes you fit in to the live poker scene a bit more if your limping along a bit, people get all aggro if you raise every other hand so if you're a reg in the game you're a bit more "one of them" if you're doing a bit of limping, people do stuff like show you cards, and fold a little more to you pre-flop, people will prolly flame this last point but it defo matters in Leeds.

On Limp 3betting, I went through a stage of limp 3betting  7h 8h and such hands UTG and showing them down so I could try do it with AA/KK more - problem is often they get limped round which is a bit sucky, I still like the play with hands the have reasonable flop equity because you open limping and it checking through isn't a massive deal, and limp 3betting is a nice way to ISO someone, rather than opening, having 5 callers and having to c/f.

You get some squeeze machines live as well, so sometimes I limp behind   9s 9h, Th Td  and   Jd Jc and 3bet serial squeezebox's just because i prefer it to having to 12x open to try narrow the field after a few limpers lol and again if it limps round and you play a 6way pot just for set value with those hands it isn't the end of the world. Would consider  8s 8h as well for this,  Qh Qd and  Ad Ks are too strong and  7c 7d is too weak imo. Doing this with  Ad Ks would be a disaster purely because of how many dominated hands they will limp behind/limp call.

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I'll test out some of theories this weekend at leeds since raising too often gets people upset n they call any 2 tgey would limp with in the end and limping makes u blend in a lot more n u get paid when u hit in leeds alot too!!

In very passive games then having  a limp reraise range isn't really going to do you any good because people are not attacking these limped pots without a big hand

Yeah, i mean upsetting people might be the wrong word, but when you play games regularly it's best to try appear as ordinary as possible

You playing Gala? We payed together before?

Sigh at winning* something live meaning I must limp all the time... Post this question on the blackbelt forum FAO Neil "Badbeat" Channing, that should get you the answers you're looking for

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It's late and I don't understand :(

this , spoton imo

I'll reply without seeing other replies as I don't wanna be biased. I'll say what I actually do, because I think I have leaks here in some of these spots.

4 limpers, you have 83s on button 200bb deep..limp
Same situation you have 74o fold
Same situation you have j9s raise
Same situation you have kq raise

Limp UTG, you are mp1 and have 89 with 1 good player in the c/o and Spanish fish elsewhere fold
Same situation you have 77 raise
Same situation you have 22 raise
Same situation you have AQ raise
Same situation you have a10s raise

You are UTG with 74s in a 9 handed game with 1 good player in blinds and one good player in the cut off fold
Same situation you have 99 raise
Same situation you have 34s close between raising and folding
Same situation you have KJo raise

3 limpers with 120bb+ effective, you have AQ in the SB? raise
Same situation you have 72o fold
Same situation you have 88 raise
Same situation you have k2o fold
Same situation you have A9dd close between limping and raising

why are we not raising 77? Doesn't rele flop well mulitway, much rather have the pot 2-4handed in position with the initiative. Same for 22 but slightly more understandable to limp along.

feels to me like you raise and get called in 5 spots behind and have to c/f a bunch of flops.

raising might be best though I dont really know lol

are there antes? pretty important

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that's why

A lot of this is dependent on who else is at the table - and what we've seen of them if they aren't regulars

but in general assuming a fairly standard table

4 limpers, you have 83s on button 200bb deep..  fold
Same situation you have 74o                           fold>>limp
Same situation you have j9s                           raise>>limp
Same situation you have kq                            raise

Limp UTG, you are mp1 and have 89 with 1 good player in the c/o and Spanish fish elsewhere  limp, probably
Same situation you have 77             limp
Same situation you have 22             limp
Same situation you have AQ            raise
Same situation you have a10s          raise

You are UTG with 74s in a 9 handed game with 1 good player in blinds and one good player in the cut off  fold
Same situation you have 99      limp
Same situation you have 34s     fold
Same situation you have KJo      limp

3 limpers with 120bb+ effective, you have AQ in the SB?  raise
Same situation you have 72o             fold
Same situation you have 88               raise
Same situation you have k2o             fold
Same situation you have A9dd          raise (also raise Hearts and clubs but obv fold A9ss)


I reserve the right to play all of these hands differently on different nights with different players at the table

It was all going so well david until these shockers!

hmmm
I refer you to the last line of my original post.....

However...
99 ?   In my local game I wouldn't expect less than 4 callers and if the first four to act behind me call then I'd expect at least 7 - what do we do on a flop with 2 overcards oop to most?
KJo?  As above and we miss a lot of flops here too


The game at DTD is somewhat different to that at my little provincial casino

in a local casino game i would open kjos utg. if i was playing 9handed with good players its def a fold

open limping is terrible regardless, unless you're intention is to limp raise, which has some merits in some games.


+1

I used to hold that opinion, and I wouldn't do it online, nor would I be quite so likely to do it at DTD or in some games locally (with a high proportion of real players, but as a 'never to be ignored' rule I think it has flaws.

Ya, open limping is fine v table of fish imo.

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