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Full Tilt Poker Game #28511552327: Table Westcliff (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 08:20:05 ET - 2011/02/25
Seat 1: mr roshan ($332.75)
Seat 2: NANDROLONE ($200)
Seat 3: OMO trofim ($203)
Seat 4: MaraDonalex ($407)
Seat 5: stato_1 ($289.15)
Seat 6: CRISTIANOASSO ($93.05)
CRISTIANOASSO posts the small blind of $1
mr roshan posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stato_1 [9c 7c]
NANDROLONE folds
OMO trofim folds
MaraDonalex folds
stato_1 raises to $5
CRISTIANOASSO calls $4
mr roshan has 15 seconds left to act
mr roshan raises to $20
stato_1 calls $15
CRISTIANOASSO folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 5c 8s]
mr roshan has 15 seconds left to act
mr roshan bets $34
stato_1 ???

Villain is competent reg I've played a lot of hands with and we have been playing aggressively vs each other. Feel like our stack size here is pretty awkward... also thoughts on pre please

not sure about the call after his squeeze. some read about how often he does this, and how he plays on flops after 3betting pre would be nice.
as it is i'm just really guessing and that guess would be to call now because raising would mean shoving to a 3bet.

getting it in on flop can never be huge mistake.

I play pre the same.

You have any history/dynamic in 3bet pots vs him? how does he probably perceive you? aggro/nitty?

Knowing something about 3 bet range def helps but I think calling is pretty standard when he makes it this small/you are this deep.

He should prob be giving up quite a few hands on this flop but I actually expect him not to cos u know we've 3 bet now so feel like we gotta cbet.  Anyways, I think raise small/calling will be best line.  There are some hands we can expect him to call once/give up turn with if he just thinks we are FOS (like say AK/AQ and sometimes stuff like 99 if he has that) so obv our turn plan is to jam.  Also some times he folds hands that have decent equity vs us but just have to fold anyway rando KTs Q9s or w/e sometimes AK folds too.

Thing about calling is on a blank turn if he fires again we just have to give up cos his range is just way stronger than our hand unless u just think he's gonna double barrel random air on "decent" turns (e.g. k/a/c) in which case we can jam over and would be quite a bit more profitable than raising flop I think.  Obv our equity goes down a shit load when we call and miss and also we will have less FE.

But ya without some specific read just r/c the flop I think.

he perceives me as aggro and we have been playing aggressively vs each other throughout the session on a few tables. Thinking was pretty much same as ruperts in raise calling flop. He shoved with A2o and held sigh. Hes playing pf stats of 20/15/4.7 over 2k hands.

The sb flatter is a big fish like 50/6 or something. How does this effect the situation?

I raise here (small) and snap a jam

this deep i like flatting flop, cant see him jamming ace high so probs gona be flipping. at least this way u can get an extra barrel street if he plays missed 3bets aggro on turn

ye raise call seems good, I don't think we are deep enough to begin calling. Not a huge fan of pre, i think we need to be deeper before we start peeling these hands against competent players.

how thin do u peel pf here?

flat, raise turn. rep a wider value range should a 4679A peel would be my preference. 100bb  just raise to setup psb on turn and obv call if he jams.

Suited wheel aces ATs+, suited broadways and pairs. Id peel lighter if i figure the player was weak postflop but this would be my default i guess.

nailed it

this

dont always raise turn tho

Geeeeforce ITT!

dunno why i just felt like doing some PHA.

did some on 2+2 but it just gets 2 funny, "ok so i got 55 on a K95kx board, villain 3bet pf, bet flop and turn but checks riv so now i have to check back 55 cos he is only ever check calling kk there"
IF this is the case all just give up holdem, its a solved game. naughts n crosses any1?

tbf Adam 001 has been one of the biggest midstake/high stake 6max crushers on stars for 3/4 years. The hand was silly though and he was probably just venting after a bad session or something.

thats just 1 of like 10 i seen where some1 is just basically posting a cooler and back tracking trying to get away from it. ppl need 2 learn some hands are just not meant to be

the nittiness of the forum is pretty funny. still some gr8 posters on there, amongst the fold-happy.

why is raising small here when getting it in better than raising larger?

1) makes balancing raising with total bluffs cheaper.
2)lets people makes mistakes such as peeling the small raise with overcards/lfoats/gutters and then having to fold the turn

small raises of 3bettors cbets is getting quite common

Lol at ppl saying fold pre. Raise-call flop is obv default line, however I think flat and shove turn (over a bet. bet/call if villain checks turn) is a very viable alternative, especially vs a reg.

I don't understand this, and I was wondering if you could explain it. My thinking if I raise with  9c 7c  from the button is that I'm trying to steal the blinds, and my hand is still playable if called, especially in position.

When the three bet goes in, I'm not loving having a suited connector type hand. Are we really, as Rupert says, that deep? Our stack is only 5-6 x the pot. I'm not sure why calling is standard.

btn vs bb. he is going to be light here way way too often for us to just be giving up without premiums or the odd 4B bluff.

we have position and even this deep with the current dynamic on on-line 6max we should be calling here with lots of hands (this being amongst the worst). AJ,AQ,A10,KQ,KJ,88+ etc should all be fist pump calls here a lot of times and highly playable postflop vs active 3-bettors. This means its easier to play stuff like 97cc profitably within ur range also. The fact we can have a depolarised hand on the flop is v hard to play against for villain (who wont have a huge hand that often) and is another reason imo small raising lots of flops>waiting to jam turns.

Im always calling the 3 bet pre.  If you are folding this hand in position 150bb deep you are folding to 3 bets too much imo .  On the flop i probably call there are a lot of good turn cards for you besides clubs that will allow you to continue with the hand.
Also the board may run out in a way that you could bluff the river so i think its in your interests to see more cards.  Shoving the turn is not terrible but it depends on the card and opponents bet size and his tendencies, ie if the board pairs i dont like shoving - if the turn is a 10 i do like shoving.  If i turn a pair i call as now you have showdown value and you prob arent folding out any better hands when you shove.
If villain is likely to 3 barrel bluff i will be more inclined to shove turn.
Raising flop is not a huge mistake but dont think its the right play (pot to stack ratios arent that good for this - if your 100bb deep i might raise) unless you think theres a chance your opponent will rereraise fold on the flop (pretty unlikely).
His shove is pretty terrible and you should be able to exploit this in future hands.
In short it depends on opponents tendencies but my default is call flop, call most turns, decide on river.

Yep, I'm calling with all of them.

If you call with  7c 5c are there any other hands you aren't calling with? In other words do you advocate raising 100% from the button, and so  7c 5c is in the middle of your range, not smack at the bottom?

He's not saying raise 100% from bottom, nor is he saying call 100% of 3bets. personaly I'd raise hands like 78o J9o 34ss 74ss that I'd fold to 3bets. There's a lot of combinations of these hands.