200nl 3bet pot

[stato_1]

Full Tilt Poker Game #28511552327: Table Westcliff (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 08:20:05 ET - 2011/02/25
Seat 1: mr roshan ($332.75)
Seat 2: NANDROLONE ($200)
Seat 3: OMO trofim ($203)
Seat 4: MaraDonalex ($407)
Seat 5: stato_1 ($289.15)
Seat 6: CRISTIANOASSO ($93.05)
CRISTIANOASSO posts the small blind of $1
mr roshan posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to stato_1 [ ]
NANDROLONE folds
OMO trofim folds
MaraDonalex folds
stato_1 raises to $5
CRISTIANOASSO calls $4
mr roshan has 15 seconds left to act
mr roshan raises to $20
stato_1 calls $15
CRISTIANOASSO folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
mr roshan has 15 seconds left to act
mr roshan bets $34
stato_1

Villain is competent reg I've played a lot of hands with and we have been playing aggressively vs each other. Feel like our stack size here is pretty awkward... also thoughts on pre please

[piestack]

not sure about the call after his squeeze. some read about how often he does this, and how he plays on flops after 3betting pre would be nice.
as it is i'm just really guessing and that guess would be to call now because raising would mean shoving to a 3bet.

[pleno1]

getting it in on flop can never be huge mistake.

I play pre the same.

You have any history/dynamic in 3bet pots vs him? how does he probably perceive you? aggro/nitty?

[Rupert]

Knowing something about 3 bet range def helps but I think calling is pretty standard when he makes it this small/you are this deep.

He should prob be giving up quite a few hands on this flop but I actually expect him not to cos u know we've 3 bet now so feel like we gotta cbet.  Anyways, I think raise small/calling will be best line.  There are some hands we can expect him to call once/give up turn with if he just thinks we are FOS (like say AK/AQ and sometimes stuff like 99 if he has that) so obv our turn plan is to jam.  Also some times he folds hands that have decent equity vs us but just have to fold anyway rando KTs Q9s or w/e sometimes AK folds too.

Thing about calling is on a blank turn if he fires again we just have to give up cos his range is just way stronger than our hand unless u just think he's gonna double barrel random air on "decent" turns (e.g. k/a/c) in which case we can jam over and would be quite a bit more profitable than raising flop I think.  Obv our equity goes down a shit load when we call and miss and also we will have less FE.

But ya without some specific read just r/c the flop I think.

[stato_1]

he perceives me as aggro and we have been playing aggressively vs each other throughout the session on a few tables. Thinking was pretty much same as ruperts in raise calling flop. He shoved with A2o and held sigh. Hes playing pf stats of 20/15/4.7 over 2k hands.

The sb flatter is a big fish like 50/6 or something. How does this effect the situation?

[GreekStein]

I raise here (small) and snap a jam

[geeforce1]

this deep i like flatting flop, cant see him jamming ace high so probs gona be flipping. at least this way u can get an extra barrel street if he plays missed 3bets aggro on turn

[Whollyflush]

ye raise call seems good, I don't think we are deep enough to begin calling. Not a huge fan of pre, i think we need to be deeper before we start peeling these hands against competent players.

[geeforce1]

ye raise call seems good, I don't think we are deep enough to begin calling. Not a huge fan of pre, i think we need to be deeper before we start peeling these hands against competent players.

how thin do u peel pf here?

[AlexMartin]

flat, raise turn. rep a wider value range should a 4679A peel would be my preference. 100bb  just raise to setup psb on turn and obv call if he jams.

[Whollyflush]

ye raise call seems good, I don't think we are deep enough to begin calling. Not a huge fan of pre, i think we need to be deeper before we start peeling these hands against competent players.

how thin do u peel pf here?

Suited wheel aces ATs+, suited broadways and pairs. Id peel lighter if i figure the player was weak postflop but this would be my default i guess.

[TheFallen]

Knowing something about 3 bet range def helps but I think calling is pretty standard when he makes it this small/you are this deep.

He should prob be giving up quite a few hands on this flop but I actually expect him not to cos u know we've 3 bet now so feel like we gotta cbet.  Anyways, I think raise small/calling will be best line.  There are some hands we can expect him to call once/give up turn with if he just thinks we are FOS (like say AK/AQ and sometimes stuff like 99 if he has that) so obv our turn plan is to jam.  Also some times he folds hands that have decent equity vs us but just have to fold anyway rando KTs Q9s or w/e sometimes AK folds too.

Thing about calling is on a blank turn if he fires again we just have to give up cos his range is just way stronger than our hand unless u just think he's gonna double barrel random air on "decent" turns (e.g. k/a/c) in which case we can jam over and would be quite a bit more profitable than raising flop I think.  Obv our equity goes down a shit load when we call and miss and also we will have less FE.

But ya without some specific read just r/c the flop I think.

nailed it

[geeforce1]

flat, raise turn. rep a wider value range should a 4679A peel would be my preference. 100bb  just raise to setup psb on turn and obv call if he jams.

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dont always raise turn tho

[NoflopsHomer]

flat, raise turn. rep a wider value range should a 4679A peel would be my preference. 100bb  just raise to setup psb on turn and obv call if he jams.

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dont always raise turn tho

Geeeeforce ITT!

[geeforce1]

dunno why i just felt like doing some PHA.

did some on 2+2 but it just gets 2 funny, "ok so i got 55 on a K95kx board, villain 3bet pf, bet flop and turn but checks riv so now i have to check back 55 cos he is only ever check calling kk there"
IF this is the case all just give up holdem, its a solved game. naughts n crosses any1?