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Playing in a live cash game.

Player A raises UTG to £5, Player B calls, Player C raises to £15, Player D cold calls and then Player A raises to £65.

Player B folds and Player C calls all in (£65) player D now decides to call too. (There is no side pot)

Flop

 7s 7h 7d Player D jams £75 into the dry sidepot. Player A calls.

The turn and river go  3d and  2s respectively and Player D mucks.


Player C now shows KK in an attempt to win the "main pot"

What is Player A's options?

a)Tip the dealer
b) Don't tip the dealer

???????

damn the edit button lol

player A takes side pot, then shows if he wants part of the main pot or mucks and allows c to take main pot

but i would imagine that someone will ask to see his and player d cards to insure there is nothing fishy going on

It depends on the venue, but this is spot on for Gala, which is where I imagine Pleno was playing. In DTD however, even though player D has mucked, player A would still have to show his cards to claim the side pot.

A) Lager
B) Guinness
C) Wine
D) Brandy

Option 1 - flip your cards and claim the side pot

Option 2 - flip your cards and claim the side pot and the main pot

Option 3 - muck your cards and start a fight

Player D mucks? As in auto mucks on the river? WTF?

A has won the side pot, no doubt and, like Iron said, can turn over to claim the main or muck for the main.

very strange though

yeah I agree, obv rules differ for different places but Id say A gets the sidepot and can then muck if he cant beat KK for the main pot.

In the casinos where you "have to show to win" what happens if player A decides to muck after player D has mucked? What happens to the side pot?

Split between the two of them.

Really? If both players muck on the river then is that really what happens? Never heard of it happening before so don't know the rule but sounds odd.

he sits there and waits for the dealer to do something.

(The dealer should ask him to turn over his cards and award him the side pot and presumably muck his hand when it loses to the KK)

Nearly happened @ DTD once... so asked what the ruling would have been.

Clarify what you mean by "player D mucks". Dealer should hold on to player Ds cards until player A shows his hand.

If Ds hand is in the muck (which it shouldn't be) then A can have it without showing as far as I'm concerned as he's the only player eligble for that pot with a hand. But it shouldn't come to this with proper dealing.

This would be the worst ruling in the history of poker. Well, perhaps not the worst. But it'd be up there. Player A gets the pot as he's the last person with a live hand.

Why?  If player D mucks, the dealer should be immediately mucking his hand and never holding on to it.  Its dead and cannot claim the pot.

Player D can't "muck". He can surrender his hand at showdown. This is not the same as mucking. Assuming Player D was folding in turn then player A can either:
a) show his hand and win the pot
or
b) request to see player Ds hand, at which point Ds hand is live again. pretty douchey thing to do. just show your hand.

Player D shoved the flop and its his showdown for the sidepot.  He has the option to table his hand to claim 1 or both pots or muck and surrender his hand.  When he mucks his hand is completely dead and player A wins the sidepot by default.  For the main pot player C has to show first and he does, player A can then choose to table his better hand or muck for the main pot.

If the casino rule is that a player MUST show to win the pot then player C and A should show their hands to claim their respective pots.

This is incorrect. His hand is in probability going to be dead. However, if Player A requests to see the hand then it is NOT dead. If player A tables his hand then it will be. Because it is at this point not dead we're still at showdown. So Player A still needs to show. If Player A for whatever reason refuses to show then the dealer should show the hands in order, in which case they're both live. At any rate: if player A wants this pot then his cards are going to be shown.

This is the rules for MOST places.

I recall the UKIPT allowing you to take a pot without showing. I don't particulary agree with that rule, but it's what you're describing.

interesting.