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Title: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 12:59:07 AM
He is a decent reg, 10k winnings on PTR, playing three tables for 100 hands ish, he is aggroish pre, 28% 3bet andhe has just won a flip, akvjj in pot which played the same as this one pre, but he 5bet jammes..

Full Tilt Poker Game #29002670229: Table Evident (heads up) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:55:16 ET - 2011/03/13
Seat 1: pads1161 ($108.70)
Seat 2: jodi911 ($104)
pads1161 posts the small blind of $0.50
jodi911 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [3d Ac]
pads1161 raises to $3
jodi911 raises to $9
pads1161 raises to $23
jodi911 calls $14
*** FLOP *** [td 9c Jc]
jodi911 checks
pads1161 checks
*** TURN *** [td 9c Jc] [4c]
jodi911 bets $28
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: cambridgealex on March 14, 2011, 01:03:56 AM
I would flat. I don't think your repping nething by raising here, as he'd expect you to bet all your value range on that flop surely. c/f river if u miss too.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 01:13:13 AM
I;m in position mate.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: Rupert on March 14, 2011, 01:14:37 AM
id say fold>flat>raise


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: cambridgealex on March 14, 2011, 01:17:44 AM
I;m in position mate.

as in, check behind if u miss.

and if ya going to be picky, this sure is a 3bet pot as the title suggests ;)


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 01:18:29 AM
people really think we're deep enough to flat?


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 01:18:57 AM
btw i chose what i now think is the worst option, sigh.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: cambridgealex on March 14, 2011, 01:24:15 AM
people really think we're deep enough to flat?

i guess not. not gonna stack him if a club rolls off very often. did u raise?


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 01:26:27 AM
Also if we have  Ac Kh what do we do?


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 01:27:04 AM
And  Ac Qd

andddddd

 Ahrt Jh


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: Rupert on March 14, 2011, 01:29:42 AM
well AJ call... AQ and AK are very similar and you could make a good case for all 3 options and could make good case for different flop actions too


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 01:42:56 AM
<3 pokers


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: toddswain on March 14, 2011, 01:59:09 AM
<3 pokers

[13/03/2011 20:17:22] Patrick Leonard: $2200 under ev for month
[13/03/2011 20:17:23] Patrick Leonard: i quit
[13/03/2011 20:17:25] Patrick Leonard: gg howard
[13/03/2011 20:17:27] Patrick Leonard: u win
[13/03/2011 20:17:43] Todd Swain: :D
[13/03/2011 20:17:47] Patrick Leonard: no seriously
[13/03/2011 20:17:49] Patrick Leonard: never playing again
[13/03/2011 20:17:53] Patrick Leonard: its ridic
[13/03/2011 20:17:54] Patrick Leonard: never win


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: cambridgealex on March 14, 2011, 02:04:02 AM
<3 pokers

[13/03/2011 20:17:22] Patrick Leonard: $2200 under ev for month
[13/03/2011 20:17:23] Patrick Leonard: i quit
[13/03/2011 20:17:25] Patrick Leonard: gg howard
[13/03/2011 20:17:27] Patrick Leonard: u win
[13/03/2011 20:17:43] Todd Swain: :D
[13/03/2011 20:17:47] Patrick Leonard: no seriously
[13/03/2011 20:17:49] Patrick Leonard: never playing again
[13/03/2011 20:17:53] Patrick Leonard: its ridic
[13/03/2011 20:17:54] Patrick Leonard: never win

can't help but smile when i read this! sorry pleno! <3


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 02:12:32 AM
Thanks Alex, you're last 20 posts to me sure have been nice.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: cambridgealex on March 14, 2011, 02:23:43 AM
Thanks Alex, you're last 20 posts to me sure have been nice.

sorry pleno, did include a <3 sign to make sure you knew it was meant well. :(

feel bad now.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: cambridgealex on March 14, 2011, 02:36:16 AM
it wasnt the running bad i smiled at, i always laugh when my mates say "im quitting, never playing again" etc etc cos they've said it dozens of times before and are always at it the next day/week/hour even.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 14, 2011, 04:07:29 AM
mmmmmmmmm

I really dont like the flop check. Don't reallllly see why we want any air in our range to chk flops IP in 4b pots, and I don't see any value to a delayed Cbet as pretty much all our LEGIT value range would wanna bet the flop.

I think my range to check this flop would be mostly marginal stuff like 88 and AQ, but i'd protect it by including some nut flush draw combo's and Qx's.

Our hand just has no value to do anything but bet fold the flop

I wouldn't raise this turn, I think our range overall plays far better for value if we don't really have a chk flop raise turn range on flush completing turns. I mean I might break this rule and do it with actual flushes only purely because I dont think I would actually expect my opponent at this stage of the game to expect me to chk parsley's on the flop, and the # of parsley parsley combo's we 4b pre isn't many so would be a great spot in a vacuum to raise a flush but very hard to balance unless we wanna throw some pretty un-feesible bluffs in, which will always be -EV vacuum plays.

Spose the best line is peel turn jam river, but as that is so unlikely to get through in this specific spot - I would just fold.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: pleno1 on March 14, 2011, 04:13:41 AM
i enjoy and agree with that post.

So glad that "parsleys" is becoming standard when talking about clubs.


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: DMorgan on March 14, 2011, 04:17:17 AM
So glad that "parsleys" is becoming standard when talking about clubs.

campaign to bring back 'puppy feet' will begin shortly


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 14, 2011, 04:18:58 AM
So glad that "parsleys" is becoming standard when talking about clubs.

campaign to bring back 'puppy feet' will begin shortly

in


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: TheFallen on March 14, 2011, 06:18:46 AM
people most commonly start peeling 4bets oop with AJ and KQ in my experience. id fold. i didnt like betting the flop either.

a lot of the time he has hit a gem of a flop here with a speculative play..... hes seeing dollar signs and all the momentum shifting his way.... piss him right off and dont put in another penny


Title: Re: 100NLHU turned FD in 3b pot.
Post by: SuuPRlim on March 14, 2011, 03:14:15 PM
people most commonly start peeling 4bets oop with AJ and KQ in my experience. id fold. i didnt like betting the flop either.

are you 4betting this hand tho?