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Full Tilt Poker Game #29482873426: Table Swiftly Tilting (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:53:54 ET - 2011/03/30
Seat 1: DeuceRWild ($215.35)
Seat 2: masakixxxxx ($455.95)
Seat 3: SheeshaSmoke ($205.70)
Seat 4: TheBrikster ($559.50)
Seat 5: pads1161 ($399.20)
Seat 6: NoSuchNick ($200)
masakixxxxx posts the small blind of $1
SheeshaSmoke posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [Ks Kh]
TheBrikster folds
pads1161 has 8 seconds left to act
pads1161 raises to $6
NoSuchNick folds
DeuceRWild folds
masakixxxxx calls $5
SheeshaSmoke raises to $20
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 calls $14
masakixxxxx folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Qd Jh]
SheeshaSmoke bets $24
pads1161 calls $24
*** TURN *** [3h Qd Jh] [7c]
SheeshaSmoke checks
pads1161 checks
*** RIVER *** [3h Qd Jh 7c] [7h]
SheeshaSmoke has 15 seconds left to act
SheeshaSmoke bets $161.70, and is all in
pads1161 has 15 seconds left to act
pads1161 has requested TIME
pads1161: lol
pads1161: nh
pads1161 folds

4 bet pre

raise flop

fyl now

b/f turn as played, probably 4-bet pre. Fold now I guess.

Call

i dont understand the flop or turn play. just get it in on both.

river seems like a fold vs a random since the average person just inst sik enough to take this line with a bluff and your only beating like 1 value hand.

Ja, 4b pre, as played, bet the turn, fold now.

seriously just 4 bet pre if you have no reason not to

When flushes are a decent size on my flop call turn check range surely his jam is super strong. If I had Axhh I'd definitely be sigh calling.

i also think flatting is far superior to 4b, but should change my psot flop deicsions on this hand if im going to do so.

so every respondant said 4b pre and raise flop - but you disagree?

Yes I disagree.

There has been 4 people respond saying fold, ofc I've talked about the hand with other people aswell. I obviously want feedback and really appreciate it, I'm not here to post bad beat stories or for people to tell me that I am the greatest. (Best in the businessssssss) but on this scenario I'm asking about the river play.

I do think this hand is totally butchered and its hard to give analysis when you would never find yourself in this spot. BUt I do like taking non conventional lines and trying to win pots rather than just lets 4b this pre. he only ever jams qq+ (usually not even qq) and fold 95% of the time. I want to peel and play some streets where I think my edge is far superior.

So when you just call the flop and the board Doesn't improve excl flush, why are you checking the turn and not calling the river?

I think my thought process was that I was going to jam over any turn bet. But when he checked turn it really surprised me and I thought he had  aa/qq/jj/air. I guess I should have put flush draws in here as he may c/jam them. I thought by betting I just fold out everything but sets/AA. I was intending on checking back turn and going for thin value on river incase he has some kind of bluff catcher, or let him bet. If he bets medium-pot I obv flick it in but here it just really confused me and because I have so many flushes in my range it just didnt make sense to me that he would jam. Unless he has AhXx

But all he has done is 3 bet pre  - c bet (which is prob 100%)

he can easily have QJ or a fd here too - or air obv

but you say you have a post flop edge - but in this pot its  a perfect example where you have at no point taken the lead in the hand and can be folding the best hand on the river having no idea where you are (at any point). Your hand is super under-repped and you havent given him a reason not to bet the river (with or without the goods)

So how big is you post flop edge playing 100bbs effective? Its only an edge because you want a dry low flop where he can get it in due to your under repped hand - thats not an edge thats slow playing

he doesn't fold 95% of the time, or even 50% of the time and while i realise the hand is somewhat in a vacuum, it is still important to have a 4 bet range so you can occasionally bluff

yeh surely if he folds 95% of the time then you're making massive mistakes by not 4bet bluffing loads. And if you are, then you have to have da premiums in there too. This 95% figure is surely wayyyyyy wrong though.

I actually 4b bluff against people I know 3bet light, and after a couple of times I can then have a balanced range but with this guy I was readless.

Yeah I just mean alot.

I'd take the over on 50% though.

Yeah I mean QJx isnt a great flop for me whe I've been 3bet from the blinds after I've opened from early. His "getting it in" range here pretty much destroys me imo.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

  21,780  games     0.062 secs   351,290  games/sec

Board: Jh Qd 3h
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    34.024%     31.79%    02.24%              6923          487.50   { KhKs }
Hand 1:    65.976%     63.74%    02.24%             13882          487.50   { JJ+, AhKh, AQs, AhTh, KQs, QJs, QhTh, Th9h }

+1

4b pre ofc, as played i wouldnt raise flop but i would fold river.