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Title: AKo desicion
Post by: thetank on December 31, 2005, 06:38:22 PM
3 left in a Pokerstars 55+5 sit n go. (Payout 50%,30%,20%)

Blinds 100/200 antes 25 about 2 minutes left at that level.

You're on the button with AKo, you have 4.7k in chips and raise to 600.
Small blind, who has about 5.6k goes all-in. The big blind who has 3.2k calls.

Call or fold?


I'll tell you what happened sometime next year :)


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: Scottish Dave on December 31, 2005, 06:58:44 PM
to me this depends on the the type of player you are?

First off, Short stack is showing incredible strength here, by calling a raise and a reraise all-in, knowing theres a chance for you to get knocked out if you are going to call the SB's all-in, i would put him on QQ possibly

However, as i said it depends on the player ie:

1/ do you like to just climb one place higher in the cash - then you Fold

2/ do you like to go for the guts, now that youve made the money - then you Call

as long as you beat the SB you will still have a min of 1000 chips left

IF it were me, id call

Even if the Tall stack wins the lot you still take second place with more chips

The only way you can get put out third here, is if the short stack has the best hand and the tall stack the second best hand


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: Nem on December 31, 2005, 07:15:14 PM
The BB has the strenght.

I would fold, I put the BB (KK,AA, QQ) I put the SB on a medium pair .


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: Royal Flush on December 31, 2005, 07:21:45 PM
If you fold its going to be tricky to win.

I probably call, its AK afterall :D


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: Nem on December 31, 2005, 07:27:20 PM
Not necessarily. blinds only 100/200 if the big stack wins, he has slightly under 2-1 chip lead, but you have time...


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: Royal Flush on December 31, 2005, 07:30:21 PM
2 minutes left of the level....

Does it go 150-300 next or 200-400 on stars? Either way on 4k, we have some problems playing raised pots.


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: The Baron on December 31, 2005, 07:30:58 PM
Good point Nemesis. There's no better time for turning over a chip lead than heads up.

I always find useful players at this level (come the last 3) and to think you are still ahead is optimistic at best.

Have faith in your ability to outplay these guys and fold.:)



Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 31, 2005, 11:32:44 PM
I'd probably fold as calling would leave you too short.

Don't forget that A-K is still drawing hand, so even if one of your opponent has a hand like 8-8, you're still going to be behind. Plus there's a chance the other guy holds one of your cards.

That's not to mention the possibility of aces v kings.

I say fold, and wait for a better opportunity. Both players are showing strength.


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: Tractor on January 01, 2006, 09:49:04 AM
I think id call, im in the money and they are soooted  ;goodvevil;


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: byronkincaid on January 01, 2006, 10:55:31 AM
This was a hand that Tank and I were in, it was actually me with the AK. I folded cos I thought that lilg must have a monster to call a raise and a reraise all in. I still don't know if that was a good decision or not but at the time I was guessing that I was up against another Ace high kicker and a high pocket pair.

 Seat 1: ByronKincaid (4700 in chips)
Seat 2: tigmong (5635 in chips)
Seat 4: lilglenallen (3165 in chips)
ByronKincaid: posts the ante 25
tigmong: posts the ante 25
lilglenallen: posts the ante 25
tigmong: posts small blind 100
lilglenallen: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ByronKincaid [As Kc]
ByronKincaid: raises 400 to 600
tigmong: raises 5010 to 5610 and is all-in
lilglenallen: calls 2940 and is all-in
ByronKincaid: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6d 8c]
ByronKincaid said, "AK"
*** TURN *** [Kd 6d 8c] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 6d 8c 3h] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tigmong: shows [Ac Qs] (high card Ace)
lilglenallen: shows [Ad Th] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
tigmong collected 6955 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6955 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 6d 8c 3h 5s]
Seat 1: ByronKincaid (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tigmong (small blind) showed [Ac Qs] and won (6955) with high card Ace
Seat 4: lilglenallen (big blind) showed [Ad Th] and lost with high card Ace



Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: thetank on January 01, 2006, 11:45:51 AM
Aye, that's the hand in question. Posted it after getting Byron's consent.


Have faith in your ability to outplay these guys and fold.:)



 ;yellowcard; from the small blind.


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: thetank on January 01, 2006, 11:55:40 AM
Even if the Tall stack wins the lot you still take second place with more chips

The only way you can get put out third here, is if the short stack has the best hand and the tall stack the second best hand

Pretty much why I'd call here if it were me.

A win would pretty much cake me the tournament and the risk of picking up 3rd is minimal. If the big blind wins the hand, there's still 3k in the side pot for you to win off the small blind.

To be fair, the chap with A10 did call mighty quick, suggesting real strength.


Title: Re: AKs desicion
Post by: thetank on January 01, 2006, 11:59:40 AM
I think id call, im in the money and they are soooted  ;goodvevil;


Sorry 'bout that Tractor, typo from me. They were off-suit.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: byronkincaid on January 01, 2006, 12:34:40 PM
Quote
Posted it after getting Byron's consent.

If we're going to be playing each other a lot, interesting hands may develop again, please don't bother asking, just post em. I'm happy to have my hands commented on, it'll teach me stuff.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: M3boy on January 01, 2006, 02:43:32 PM
I would call here.

My reason is this, win this hand and 1st prize is yours.

I remember seeing a WPT event recently, with the c/l being in the same position with 3 left and made the call with A9. Hit the Ace and won the tourney.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 01, 2006, 04:49:02 PM
Wasn't that the Phil Gordon vs Chris Moneymaker vs Some French Guy. The french guy was short stacked and made a move with 10,4 off or some other junk, Moneymaker finds JJ and moves all in after him, and then Phil Gordon dwells with his A9, and finally calls and hits his ace and wins.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: Nem on January 01, 2006, 04:51:18 PM
IMO a terrible call by Gordon.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: thetank on January 01, 2006, 04:52:41 PM
I'm sure Moneymaker wasn't chuffed with it either.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 01, 2006, 04:53:25 PM
He was a big chip leader and had frenchie on a steal and put Moneymaker on a medium pair.


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: M3boy on January 01, 2006, 05:42:49 PM
Yes it was Phil Gordon

Great call as it turned out - he also had plenty chips back if he lost


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: action man on January 01, 2006, 11:30:55 PM
fold


Title: Re: AKo desicion
Post by: WellChief on January 01, 2006, 11:43:38 PM
I would call this almost every time I think, as has been said win the hand and you win the tournament.  AKs is so strong three handed. People often forget as well that the fact you have AK makes AA and KK being out there a lot less likely.