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Background
1/2 live cash game (at DTD).

Table is currently 7-handed.  There are two very loose and aggressive players (seat 4 and 6), and the rest of the table is fairly ABC-ish, with a fish in seat 2 (me).

The hand
Seat 6 raises to £9, seat 1 calls, and I look down at  Kd Kc on the button.  I raise to £23  and seat 6 and 1 call.  So there's three of us to the flop, and there's £72 in the middle.

Flop:  Aspades  Td 3c

(Stacks:  seat 1 = £400, seat 2 = £350, seat 6 = £1,200)

Seat 6 leads out for £60.

Two scenarios - that I wanted opinion on. 

a) seat 1 calls - what do you do? 
b) seat 1 folds - does this change our action?

seat 1 doesnt fold then you must
seat 1 folds then shove and wait for the q turn j river

Pre seems a little small

Also I presume you must check first before the guy bets £60?

Sorry, I'm on the button not the BB.

I'd be raising to at least £30 pre.

You say seat 6 is aggressive. This makes it easier to call but he might fire the next 2 streets and you're just guessing. Given you've no draw or way to improve I prob just sigh fold.

If seat one calls see if your cards can hit the muck before his chips hit the felt.  Prob fld in both cases tbh

how will they percieve your 3 bet range?

3bet pre is obv too small given stack sizes.I'd make it in the region of  £36

You must have a little more infortmation on the individuals. Ages/Nationalities/attire. Hands that went to showdown?

scenario A= likely a fold
scenario B= depends on more reads

35-40 pre pls. fold now

They already know ur range for 3betting pre is incredibly tight so might aswell raise more.

40ish pre. Don't give them 25/1 on a set mine unless you're really deep.

As played unless you've got some sick dynamics going on just fold. Y

ou've made a misclick raise and lost £23, don't compound that error by letting A2 get your stack.

From late position fairly wide, especially with seat 6 in the hand. He's literally been playing atc, so I've been keen to isolate against him with position, and play flops against him.

Yes, my raise was too small, and I was trying to get seat 6 to re-raise my 'steal' from the button (as he had previously), but should have made it ten pounds more (which he still calls).

Entire thread is 'look how I've widened my range and become a crazy LAG' brag post by Kinboshi.

 

:D

Mangled this hand though, and then there's the hand that immediately followed...

I'd sigh fold while muttering that the feckers are gonna get their hands burnt soon!

Yeah, it's a clear sigh fold as soon as seat 1 calls. Also raise more pre in a live cash game

If seat 1 folds?

I raise...F'em. you have him down as agressive so let's see if you can make him fold his weak arse hand.

Just fold either way, can't be getting married to 2nd pair. Future streets never play out well. Even if you spike your K you could get killed by JQ. Lose the min after not making your 3-bet pre big enough.

Definately making it more pre. Its dusk, leave like £2 and a mars bar back and they will think you have f/e.

lost min by not 3betting big enough imo.

in fact, lose min by folding pre.

+1/

-1 for being padantic. GTFO! Clearly says AFTER not 3-betting enough. If 3-bet enough.... as stated leaving £2 and a mars bar back, would have got both players to fold and was clearly the most +EV play for this hand, given we know the board comes A-high. So  ;izimbra;

tl;dr

Think you should get a ruling mate. How dare he lead into you in a 3bet pot.

Think it's likely a fold since I gather you don't have an image that says you're likely to spazz out?

Think it's an interesting spot though, since folding to a lead everytime it comes Axx whenever we 3bet, we can be beaten up pretty bad (I'm assuming your 3bet range is mostly 77+, AQ+?) Only problem is since you mention he's aggressive, there's not much chance he's checking the turn, and then playing the guessing game isn't really fun. Even cards that help us on the turn (J, Q) aren't really improving our equity a great deal against made hands.