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As has been stated in previous posts, this is obviously a live hand so the information provided will only be presented to you, only as well as my memory allows...

I am sat with £500. In the cut-off - ultimately playing the hand in position.

An early position player limps for £2. CambridgeAlex makes it £10 to go (he has a similar stack size to me). I know that he could be iscolating with a wide range of hands here.

I then look down and see Qs Qd.


Alex and I have an interesting dynamic at the moment, I have been forced to showdown very questionable holdings in 3 bet pots and conversely there are also times when I have flat called/limped with big hands. (I obviously have my own thoughts and rationale for doing this, particularly in the context of the game I have been playing in at DTD recently).

However, on this occasion I elected to flat call the £10. Mitch was also on my left, but in the SB I think. (FWIW I believe that I made a mistake here, on reflection a 3 bet was the order of the day). Mitch didn't pull the trigger and do my work for me either, so the BB and the limper joined the action and we went to the flop.

The flop was  5c 8s  Kh.

The action checked to Alex, who in turn checked to me. I then bet £20, half the pot.

The BB and the limper folded, but Alex raised to £60.

I then tank-folded.


I have my own thoughts and ideas about the hand but would like to throw this one open to you guys for your input, for which I would be most obliged  :)up

(Alex, if you see any mistakes in my description of the hand feel free to amend them.)

I think a 250bb shove is a more than reasonable bet in this spot.

'WHHHATTTT?! You have aces?!! FML.'

Seriously though, 3 bet pre, make it 47 pounds. You have too much equity to flat this spot.

who are you please?

Id say wp but id be lying

I didn't say or even imply that at any point I had played the hand well Jez to be fair, but thanks for that little gem nonetheless.


I am trying to get feedback on what line other players would choose to take on this flop in the brief circumstances described, having under-repped the hand pre...

Like I said, I have my own thoughts as well, its just a case of wishing to use others with more experience as a sounding board. On reflection, perhaps it would have been better to not disclose that I had folded to the c/r in the original post.


My name is Ad. I am a recreational poker player not a professional, and I mostly play £1/£2 at DTD once/twice a week.

Well yeah maybe that was uncalled for from me wiretap, my apologies

Preflop I quite like, a 3bet is probably standard but this deep you have to know your opponent and what you want to do if he 4bets before you 3bet.
 
I think checking back the flop here is the best play.  As you played it you have to fold but I hate the flop bet.

check the flop, you're not getting more than 2 streets out of any worse hands which'll call and your opponents (particularly the fishier ones) can easily have like KJ/KT hands here

3b pre is nice if you're aggro, but if you are aware of your tight image then I would prefer to 3bet with aj and peel some huge hands here and get 3 hands post against Alex where he is left saying, omg its so sick, you're repping like nothing.

As played, I defend flop.

Everything here is dependent on how he perceives you though.

Definitely 3bet pre

If neither Mitch nor Alex decides that you're FOS and 4balls you then you run tez

As played I can't see why Alex would ever c/r here for value

yeah i of urse agree if its me or you, but taken the line that OP has I'm pretty sure that he has a tight range and alex wont expect him to be 3b because Alex iso'd the fish.

dont mind the peel pre flop.

as played id check back the flop. i dont think peoples ranges are wide enough yet to make me want to try and extract value and im not overly concerned with protecting my hand.

Alex' c/r is weird line that confused me at the time. Id just give it up though and find a silver lining that maybe i just saved a lot of money against kings.

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yay no1s ever posted a hand ive played in b4.

3b pre, check back flop.

preflop is absolutely fine imo but your not THAT deep comparable to live poker where being 200-300bbs deep is pretty stnd so I think you lose a decent chunk of value by not 3betting given that alex is pretty unlikely to fold and more than capable of 4betting sightly weaker for value  or just striaght up air with stacks that are set up nicely for a 5bet jam...but I agree it's kinda cool to show up in a hands like this with premiums from time to time...

1 point to make about what I've just said though is it's important your reasons for it are balance/deception and not just cos you dont wanna get £500 in pre with QQ as you run a retty high risk of becoming very polarised, when you're only 3betting AA/KK for striaght up value and using good multi-way hands s your "light" 3bets, this not only sacrifices quite a bit of equity but it also makes you pretty easy to exploit....

on the flop not sure I love betting, although there is a decent amount of value to be had, stuff like 67/A8 and more importantly in Alex's range hands like 99-JJ...

with the flop c/r his value range is now ridiculously thin, I think KTs is prolly the WORST king he ISO's preflop, he could have 55 and 88 and ofc KK. Not sure how often he iso's 55 pre as opposed to limping behind and i imagine he'll ISO 88 nearly 100% of the time preflop, I think there is nearly no way he'd c/r KK as the combo of hands you can continue with when he holds 3 of the 4 Kings in minuscule excluding coolers. He might play AK like this but I dont think he'd take this line for value with KJ or KT, KQ he MIGHT but if your able to have QQ here you're also capable of holding AK.

So his legit value range is 55 (which I dont think he ISO'd pre 100%) 88 (prolly the most likely) and AK (I think he is more likely to chk 88 on the flop than AK) the only semi-bluff is 67. It's a wierd spot to bluff but if he thinks you rarely wouldn't 3b AA/KK/AK and might fold a hand around KT's value then he might pick this spot

I'd be calling the flop bet for defo, not sure EXACTLY how i'd be responding on future streets, would really depend

I think Alex has does AA

yes that will be because most people post hands they lose in...and against you that don't happen that often ;) i thank you

dave i'm half tempted to find your address in leeds and come round your flat. i know 100% you are in there home alone coz for sure as hell you ain t in vegas coz you are always on here. unless of course they got wifi in the brothel

Transfer $10 to Raziel2689 on stars and i'll give you the address

I could probably sniff it out. Was looking through his Vegas snaps on sadbook when I thought bloody hell that looks know snow. Then realised it his apartment in leeds

go to my flat atm and you;ll find an angry half-geordie in there, we drafted him in cos we couldnt afford a guard dog

sort of hoping it would be joe partying with 15 girls all walking round naked

+1

3-bet pre and check back the flop...BUT, once I have bet i'm not folding to Alex's check-raise. I don't think Alex will ever check-raise AK in this spot and imo he would probably, although not always, peel with 55/88. As played call the flop and reassess imo.

How do you like a 5bet pre danny?

prefer a smooth call on the flop then?

I will only 5-bet someones open when i've limped FTG. Then just smooth the backraise. Thought you knew all this?