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Title: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 25, 2011, 11:06:46 PM
As we go through each step,, you have to agree that we have gone with the choice that I've made otherwise thread wont work :)


£1/£2 game at gala gib.. £500 sit down. Playing 6 handed, 2 Romanians pros (both have £500) and 3 Spanish fish (all have £300) I have £500 ofc

The Romanians are semi regs in the games. They have changed their bet sizing and now make it 6x pre w/out limpers. They have an image against me where they don't like to build a bit pot (bvb previously, he limped the small and c/c 3 streets w/1010 on 99762) and both have almost identical styles. The Spanish guys are very loose-passive and like to see alot of flops. They think I am an absolute hyper maniac and call me "The Young Terminator" when I raise they make this weird Terminator noise and never, ever give me credit for a hand...

Romanian UTG makes it £12, two Spanish fish call in position, Romanian number 2 calls and we have  9d 9h in the big blind.

We?

A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise (if so amount pls)


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: GreekStein on June 25, 2011, 11:15:51 PM
how do we check here?


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: AndrewT on June 25, 2011, 11:18:12 PM
how do we check here?

You or I couldn't check, because we're not the Best in the Business.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 25, 2011, 11:29:20 PM
fixed post :)


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: GreekStein on June 25, 2011, 11:32:40 PM
how do we check here?

You or I couldn't check, because we're not the Best in the Business.

V good point Andrew.

THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Skippy on June 25, 2011, 11:33:55 PM
Since I can't check any more, I'm take B) call, please pleno.

I'm hoping this is a story involving me hitting a set.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: TheFallen on June 25, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
raise. pros will play straight forward and Spanish fish sticking in loads of money with random garbage


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Eso Kral on June 26, 2011, 01:39:13 AM
Since I can't check any more, I'm take B) call, please pleno.

I'm hoping this is a story involving me hitting a set.
^^^^ this for me


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: George2Loose on June 26, 2011, 01:48:31 AM
I cawl


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: outragous76 on June 26, 2011, 01:51:08 AM
Raise to 41 to iso fish


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: GreekStein on June 26, 2011, 01:51:18 AM
call or raise both fine. 99 i'd lean towards call whereas 1010 i'd lean towards raise.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Woodsey on June 26, 2011, 01:53:52 AM
call


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Mitch on June 26, 2011, 03:40:47 AM
call or raise both fine. 99 i'd lean towards call whereas 1010 i'd lean towards raise.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Boba Fett on June 26, 2011, 03:45:09 AM
Gimme a B please Bob


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: cambridgealex on June 26, 2011, 04:10:27 AM
What cos said. 88 definite call, TT definite raise imo.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Rupert on June 26, 2011, 05:48:45 AM
so what happened hand is boring as fuck so far


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: George2Loose on June 26, 2011, 08:54:58 AM
so what happened hand is boring as fuck so far


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 26, 2011, 09:15:26 AM
so what happened hand is boring as fuck so far

You cawled?

I think pre is semi interesting. But nevermind.


I called and the flop came..

 9h Ts Qd

SB checks, w're in bb and effective stacks of £490 with two Romanians and £190 with two Spanish.

We

A) Check
B) Lead (if so how much)


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Leatherman on June 26, 2011, 09:47:55 AM
B.. 35


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: cambridgealex on June 26, 2011, 09:52:35 AM
Lead...3/4pot


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Skippy on June 26, 2011, 10:11:20 AM
I'm hoping this is a story involving me hitting a set.

I knew it!

There is going to be an ace on the turn, isn't there?


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Eso Kral on June 26, 2011, 11:06:16 AM
Lead...3/4pot
this for me and flat any back raise to re-eval the turn


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: outragous76 on June 26, 2011, 11:31:20 AM
Never leading into the raiser with 3 potential flatters on this type of board. Much prefer a c/r 4 way, builds pot, happy to get it in, gives us lead and should narrow the field!


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Free_Rollin on June 26, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
Lead...3/4pot
this for me and flat any back raise to re-eval the turn

Never leading this flop if we're not going to be happy getting it in.

(Pre is generally going to be a call for me)


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 26, 2011, 08:28:07 PM
Ok, I decided to check..

Romanian raiser cbet £45, first Spantard folded, second made it £120.

Romanian in the SB made it £275 and it was back on us...


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: KarmaDope on June 26, 2011, 08:37:25 PM
EDIT: Feck that, I had my reads wrong. Thought the Romanians were the fish.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: outragous76 on June 26, 2011, 08:38:57 PM
is there any chance of collusion between the 2 romanians?


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 26, 2011, 08:39:15 PM
c) throw up


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Junior Senior on June 26, 2011, 10:22:34 PM
is there any chance of collusion between the 2 romanians?


this


if not, then puke fold.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: GreekStein on June 26, 2011, 10:28:54 PM
Easy fold.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 26, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
is there any chance of collusion between the 2 romanians?

zero


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Solaris on June 26, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
Snap fold.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Rupert on June 26, 2011, 10:53:05 PM
i think pre is a trivial flat, if you 3 bet then the regs are going to flat a wider than normal range to keep the fish in the pot which also includes the top end of their range so you could get raped.

now it's just a pokerstove question prob gonna be a fold tho dont rly see what you beat


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 26, 2011, 11:07:26 PM
Do I have these ranges really wrong?

Board: 9c Td Jh
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    23.081%     22.30%    00.78%            474072        16558.00   { 9h9s }
Hand 1:    38.459%     33.86%    04.60%            719724        97792.00   { JJ-TT, KQs, J9s+, T9s, 87s, KQo, J9o+, T9o, 87o }
Hand 2:    38.459%     33.86%    04.60%            719724        97792.00   { JJ-TT, KQs, J9s+, T9s, 87s, KQo, J9o+, T9o, 87o }


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Solaris on June 26, 2011, 11:10:41 PM
No, you have the entire board wrong.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: GreekStein on June 26, 2011, 11:11:05 PM
i think pre is a trivial flat, if you 3 bet then the regs are going to flat a wider than normal range to keep the fish in the pot which also includes the top end of their range so you could get raped.

Disagree


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 26, 2011, 11:31:03 PM
No, you have the entire board wrong.

oh misclick, but the combos will be the same I think as rmanian/spantard wont be raising/3b this flop with jq kinda hands. so they have the same combos of kj as they do kq etc. actually if anything there are more straight combos with the j8.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 26, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
i think pre is a trivial flat, if you 3 bet then the regs are going to flat a wider than normal range to keep the fish in the pot which also includes the top end of their range so you could get raped.

Disagree

I agree with Greeky actually, I think i get 4balled wider than usual, especially for value, but not peeled so wide. If Spantards had £500 too then maybe this would be the case, but I dont think they peel broadways, pairs just because of the Spantards as the initial 6x pre and my (what will surely be a large) 3b pre will have severely bloated the pot meaning the Spantards should be in a push/fold situ.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 27, 2011, 08:11:52 AM
MEH.

I don't like chking the flop, mainly because I really don't like chk/raising here.

I think the ranges are off, bet, raise, 3bet, if T9o is in the 3better's range than id be very suprised, the 3better just purely has to have it here because the spanaid is just going to fold so infrequently and his range to raise is prolly spot on as you have it.

even vs these ranges the maths gives you pretty conclusive fold imo.

Really dislike not donking the flop btw


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 27, 2011, 09:12:54 AM
MEH.

I don't like chking the flop, mainly because I really don't like chk/raising here.

I think the ranges are off, bet, raise, 3bet, if T9o is in the 3better's range than id be very suprised, the 3better just purely has to have it here because the spanaid is just going to fold so infrequently and his range to raise is prolly spot on as you have it.

even vs these ranges the maths gives you pretty conclusive fold imo.

Really dislike not donking the flop btw

whats your "donking" range here Dave?


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 27, 2011, 12:17:23 PM
MEH.

I don't like chking the flop, mainly because I really don't like chk/raising here.

I think the ranges are off, bet, raise, 3bet, if T9o is in the 3better's range than id be very suprised, the 3better just purely has to have it here because the spanaid is just going to fold so infrequently and his range to raise is prolly spot on as you have it.

even vs these ranges the maths gives you pretty conclusive fold imo.

Really dislike not donking the flop btw

whats your "donking" range here Dave?

pretty much sets/striaghts/JT and might throw a cheeky QJ in there from time to time


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Leatherman on June 28, 2011, 04:15:34 PM
so what happened hand is boring as fuck so far


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: pleno1 on June 28, 2011, 04:52:03 PM
edit: cba to argue.

can delete thread if u like, i guess its an easy flop fold/call pre.


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: SuuPRlim on June 28, 2011, 06:38:32 PM
sterling effort though wp


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 28, 2011, 07:27:38 PM
im a great lover of donk bets

=


Title: Re: Play the hand with Pads...
Post by: Leatherman on June 28, 2011, 07:41:58 PM
so what happened hand is boring as fuck so far

Only ment it as a bump as i was looking forward to the outcome.. yeh i call pre and lead flop but i guess this why i do my bollocks at cash.. Enjoy ya pha's keep em coming fella...