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Hi all,
      I usually say no to bubble deals as firstly i think it changes the whole concept of the game,in respect i want ppl to earn there money rather than just call me with 10 jack suited because they know they gonna get there money back regardless of what the outcome,and secondly because a majority of tournaments i play the cash up top is never really life changing amounts.
      Dont get me wrong if i final tabled the DTD deepstack or Monte Carlo or maybe a gukpt main event where the money is much more significant, yeah i prob would do a deal that benefitted me.
      Was playing Lutons £50 f/o last night and when the final table arrived the other 9 wanted to do £20 each so 9th and 10th took a oner each. My thoughts on this was that it wasnt really worth it as time u paid the twenty and tournie entry with reg you stood to make a total profit of £24. Tbh the money between finishing 5th and 8th was minimal anyway, with third place making it just bout worth cashing and all the money really between top 2. But even so only a  bag to the winner so hardly life changing amounts.
       Some of the ppl on table were bit pissed of as they wanted the bubble, some just respected what i said, but i felt the whole mood changed towards me as a person because of my theory/reasons. Now anybody who knows me knows that i rarely do a deal because of reasons above, so would really just like to know what your feelings are on the bubble deal plz.

Suggest each player gets a  black and red card each black is deal . Red is no deal nobody no's who put which card in  . Did this in Ireland and also in Bolton  . Have a word with card room manager and is best way of avoiding bad feeling

I've had a few problems with this locally on the rare times I've played live at the local casino, I snap say no to a deal for the bubble everytime, at least one person will look to have a go at you, don't be forced into it by some arsehole(s).

Is that Chris ? Anger management  Chris ?

If so, just tell everyone to get fked and say 'carpark' if they still want to whinge.

Cheers

Glenn

I never do deals. Find it's the best way in the long run.

QFT

I tend to find the attitude towards anyone who refuses a deal tends to be incredibly hostile and its something I have a real problem with.

As has been said, bubble deals change the whole dynamic of actually being on the bubble. If I know people actually care about min-cashing so will only be shoving a certain % of their range, that's good news for me.

Just have to stand firm. Whenever I'm asked I say I don't want to do a deal. When one or two inevitably pipe up to have a moan I simply say that I won't do a deal under any circumstances and you're wasting your breath trying to convince me otherwise. That usually ends it there and then.

I always do a saver if people ask. You can't argue that correct game theory is to retain the bubble dynamic, but good game theory sometimes doesn't work in small local comps as we well know. If the dynamic changes so the others are calling each other all-in with 10-J or whatever then sweet, let's get the final table started in 5 seconds flat. Anyway people getting their money in light isn't a problem at any time for me. For the little monies involved I want to avoid people I play socially with thinking I'm a wanker really and the night going moody for the sake of twenty quid. -EV to refuse saver imo. If it was for more money they could all GTFO thou.

If you are desperate 4 a bubble payment in a comp with a buy in less then 50 buy in . You must be desperate . Pay is always top heavy and winner shouldn't be paying out 2 those desperate for money back .

Anybody who thinks you're a wanker because you don't want to give the bubble a min-cash is normally a pathetic "live pro" whose down thousands of pounds lifetime. They're the same people who moan you raise too much, don't know what your doing and try and give you a poker lesson at the table despite you having a stack that's 3 times bigger.

I can honestly get over it if they think I'm a wanker.

Lol solaris

I think I am weak socially.

I'm pretty much hated in leeds for this

[ ] I care

Like the red/black card idea. Might have to bring it up lol

Used in Stoke too- really great idea.

Hi Chris

As a Luton reg my view is slightly different

Motivations are not always the same, and might be -EV to many

For example, blonde league points.

More pertinently, playing in the same small player pool week after week I think it can be counter-productive to be hard-nosed. It often suits me and my style to be emollient as generally I will not be making finals as a top 2 or 3 stack and savers can, as a social player looking to make it pay for itself as a minimum, help me do that. Especially when in 30-45 runner fields perhaps 6 are paid from 10 finalists


Might delete this soon before Mr Black and White Solaris sees it

If you want to deal, that's completely and utterly up to you.

The issue isn't about that, it's the attitude shown towards those who don't. Before you start the tournament (or at least very soon after) you're made aware of just how many are paid. If someone chooses not to extend the bubble beyond that, they shouldn't have to be made to feel like they're a prick for saying no.

People don't even ask me to do a saver around the bubble


Usually cos I'm out and railing the mrs

and I agree with Solaris. If someone doesn't want to saver, talk over. Crack on, no need to be an arse about it

Yes, some people can be though

Solaris- if you're on the bubble- say of a local comp, have you gone deep?

Just didn't see the need for the last bit of your post, but hey ho.

start being less confrontational, and people will stop having a pop

I fail to see how I've been confrontational in this thread. You yourself agree with me that the attitude shown by some during bubble discussions is incorrect and I've merely pointed that out.

Still, if that's the way you want to be with me, fair enough. I'm sure I'll get by.

FWIW I find it strange that you call people who don't want to do a deal 'hard-nosed'. What makes a person 'hard-nosed' for wanting to go along with the original payouts that are given?

In small local comps, where the player pool is smallish to refuse a saver, especially if the only one to do so, is hard nosed I think

No problem if someone does, everyone has their own motivations

Also less hard nosed if you are there as a one off

but if you are regular, then I think the comment made earlier about non financial considerations/social aspects has merit.

Solaris...I like ur posts...

But I disagree with mostly everything u say

But u are entertaining

ryan it not looking likely you will get a staking deal here mate

is that why he's posting so much?

I mean your posts per day ratio are low cos you joined last year but have only just recently become active.

I spose we'll see when you hit 300 posts how long it takes for a thread to go up on the staking board

FWIW I think you'll sell out in record time

Oioi why have posts been deleted?

Flaming, and then you quoted it

PM sent to the relevant individual

He can flame me. I don't mind.

I'm special

Dam I missed it

i dont mind someone flaming me

its all fun

He called me special.

Then said he was selling action in a 50 f/out at 1.15

No flaming

read http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=25383.0 to refamiliarise yourselves, ta

who was selling action at 1.15?

U think Mark Up is too much?

Solaris called George a special school and then sold at 1.15. George took the lot but then Solaris was banned for not having 300 posts.

In for stakeaments

10%  pls

Must be a special school to buy at that price

is solaris banned?

Im on to a loser. Cos when he goes deep in the 50 f/out he'll deny it and I'll get grimmed

Sigh

tighty that is a terrible post!

that is the problem! You final table with 6/7 regs who are in a clique and expect to deal/saver

i once had a table where they were negotiating the deal for when  bust - which i pointed out  to the TD was collusion.

often times the "social players" are the problem, not people who dont want to do the saver

No

Now you and George Bedi please stop poking him with a stick, play fair and we can all get along before I get arsey. Cheers

Agree 100%.

The clique aspect is one that makes live poker less enticing for others too.

I'm just pointing out the facts of life for regulars in a small player pool card-room

"terrible post" is a bit OTT

At no stage would I make any discussion that would collude against any player, regular or not, but it IS a fact in the small comps that non EV/Poker considerations can come into play. I tried to outline a few reasons why that might happen

I blame the clique on blonde for people who won't do bubble savers

This

Agree

Just don't go back....n tell the td on your departure exactly why....a certain club in Glasgow has teams going against you.....to ko the interloper.....

We'll be good

only for the regs thou! DUCY?

if i play once a month do I have to join the "club"?

The point I was making in saying it was a "terrible post" - is that whatever the clique wants, in "their card room", they shouldnt have any opporunity whatsoever so suggested/bully/cajole any player into doing something they dont want to

So Im sorry but to not deal isnt hard nosed at all

he implied i was a retard on pm thats why i started to troll him


im sorry tighty

but it is entertaining :)

I am not suggesting anybody should be bullied into anything

I was merely stating why for a regular other considerations can come into play. It might not be a popular view but it is true

There are many regulars where I play, but it is welcoming to occasional, new etc players too. Equally I understand a number of places are far harsher to those players than Luton is, even to the point where open collusion is tolerated

A reg in Glasgow I know doesn't do deals...n doesn't do savers....I respect this....nobody complains....he calmly says no,when it is brought up...says he never deals....n that's it....move on.......nobody argues....he doesn't involve himself in the ensuing debate

He's got a good read on you tbf

yeah he uses his amazing logical powers

I find a lot of the people who don't do savers are really forceful about their stance. They say stuff like "No deals when I'm around" or "I NEVER deal" with a very serious look. There is no need to be so determined about the I'm here on business attitude in a local weekend comp imo. You must be a very serious player and deffo not to be messed with. Overall thou I think it's good to be a popular winner amongst those you win from.

So tbf a few mixed views....... lol along with a few in house arguments.

I very very rarely will do any bubble deals. I also find that sometimes a situation arises that people then have it in for you after refusing a deal, and can often result in +EV spots for yourself.

In the last ten years I must have made 100's of final tables and have never once said no deal. Deals have ranged from ten way chops without a hand being played to me taking first place and 3/4 splitting the rest. I do it because I think it's good karma . Ali Mallu has been in the same comps and he almost never deals. He has won 100's out right and no one thinks any worse of him. Horses for courses.

I like Paul and George because they are nice guys.
Don't know solaris, comes across as a twat like I do, but have to say I love his posts no matter is I strongly agree or disagree with them.

how come the posts were deleted? mine were fine

None of your posts have been deleted