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Title: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: Amatay on July 21, 2011, 03:54:11 AM Pocket 9's with 30 bigs facing an early open, its a $30 2r1a The opener is a fairly decent winning reg. About +$350k lifetime on OPR. Same scenario happened to me twice tonight in the same comp vrs the same player within a couple of hands. Interested in how people play this hand, whats the best line in these spots?
PokerStars Game #64839114998: Tournament #430010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2011/07/21 1:02:20 WET [2011/07/20 20:02:20 ET] Table '430010723 6' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: stato_1 (13436 in chips) Seat 2: youbetchaya (7501 in chips) Seat 3: NessV (14847 in chips) Seat 4: LoneHixx (30112 in chips) Seat 5: isuckoutonu (7329 in chips) Seat 6: simonjjj (9086 in chips) Seat 7: BIGMICKG (21850 in chips) Seat 8: marjce01 (14455 in chips) Seat 9: Dodorox (11660 in chips) stato_1: posts the ante 40 youbetchaya: posts the ante 40 NessV: posts the ante 40 LoneHixx: posts the ante 40 isuckoutonu: posts the ante 40 simonjjj: posts the ante 40 BIGMICKG: posts the ante 40 marjce01: posts the ante 40 Dodorox: posts the ante 40 Dodorox: posts small blind 150 stato_1: posts big blind 300 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to simonjjj [9d 9c] youbetchaya: folds NessV: folds LoneHixx: raises 375 to 675 isuckoutonu: folds simonjjj: ? ? ? BIGMICKG: folds marjce01: folds Dodorox: folds stato_1: folds PokerStars Game #64839192365: Tournament #430010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2011/07/21 1:04:29 WET [2011/07/20 20:04:29 ET] Table '430010723 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: stato_1 (14391 in chips) Seat 2: youbetchaya (7121 in chips) Seat 3: NessV (14767 in chips) Seat 4: LoneHixx (30842 in chips) Seat 5: isuckoutonu (6574 in chips) Seat 6: simonjjj (9006 in chips) Seat 7: BIGMICKG (21770 in chips) Seat 8: marjce01 (14375 in chips) Seat 9: Dodorox (11430 in chips) stato_1: posts the ante 40 youbetchaya: posts the ante 40 NessV: posts the ante 40 LoneHixx: posts the ante 40 isuckoutonu: posts the ante 40 simonjjj: posts the ante 40 BIGMICKG: posts the ante 40 marjce01: posts the ante 40 Dodorox: posts the ante 40 youbetchaya: posts small blind 150 NessV: posts big blind 300 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to simonjjj [9c 9s] LoneHixx: raises 375 to 675 isuckoutonu: folds simonjjj: ? BIGMICKG: folds marjce01: folds Dodorox: folds stato_1: folds youbetchaya: folds NessV: folds Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: cambridgealex on July 21, 2011, 04:06:00 AM a) The Rail
Discuss all poker related issues b) Poker Hand Analysis Post your hand here for analysis and analyse other people's hands I'd go for b) Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: Royal Flush on July 21, 2011, 04:08:10 AM Sigh at you folding
Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: Amatay on July 21, 2011, 04:13:47 AM a) The Rail Discuss all poker related issues b) Poker Hand Analysis Post your hand here for analysis and analyse other people's hands I'd go for b) lol, yeh i usually do mate, made a mistake. Sigh at you folding How do you play these spots Flushy? Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: mondatoo on July 21, 2011, 05:08:39 AM Jam
Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: boldie on July 21, 2011, 08:20:21 AM Just get them in.
Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: GreekStein on July 21, 2011, 09:37:02 AM Absolute nitatay.
Also, at least edit encore into the post for subtle spam. Pfft Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: NigDawG on July 21, 2011, 09:50:35 AM fistpump 3b call vs hixx lol
Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: smashedagain on July 21, 2011, 11:23:34 AM a) The Rail Discuss all poker related issues b) Poker Hand Analysis Post your hand here for analysis and analyse other people's hands I'd go for b) lol, yeh i usually do mate, made a mistake. Sigh at you folding How do you play these spots Flushy? Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: SuuPRlim on July 21, 2011, 01:36:04 PM hand 1 looks like a 3b/call if he's got aggro tendancies, Reg opens MP, another reg 3bets the HJ bla bla bla he wagers all his chips with AJ etc seems to be the stnd in these donkament jobbies.
having said that, surely this is also a lovely spot to do some peeling, although ur range to peel is prolly stronger overall than your range to 3b given the stated dynamic. Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: Amatay on July 21, 2011, 02:01:43 PM Here's my fishy thoughts...
First up i hate jamming and a nit like me doesnt love 3b calling here either really. Yes a Hixx open here is probably quite wide but if i 3b with intention of calling off does he really 4b jam with worse than 9's given that he's raised in earlyish pos and ive 3b with about 4 players to act? My hand must/should look strong to him here with 99 probs being the bottom of my range. If im getting it in here im hoping for a flip. I prefer calling over folding but then i invite other players to call behind or open the door for a squeeze and i wont know what to do on most flops with a smallish stack and could get owned or outdrawn by a hand that would never have been involved had i 3b pre. Peeling here i could end up levelling myself and or doing 1/3 or 1/2 my stack which is obv terrible What would be your play with 99 here if you hand 40, 50 or 60 bigs here and villian had you covered, i guess peel then? However, if were miles ahead with 99 with 30 bigs and people are saying get it in, fistpump etc then why not get it in fistpump if we have a much bigger stack. It seems my play is a function of my stack size which i know is the most important thing about mtt's. If i had 12 bigs ofc i jam although that doesnt change my opponents holdings and i could still be crushed. I dunno, maybe im over complicating things here. In the hands above yes i did just muck the pock 9's, i dont always and it did feel abit dirty, not sure why i did on this occasion and i'd expect some flamming for this :) Whats our line in the same situ with 77 or 88 here? Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: SuuPRlim on July 21, 2011, 02:23:17 PM pretty sure, given how wide brammmmmma has indicated he might be opening you will always find some profit in a 3bet call, even if he never jams light.
Player,Equity,Wins Hi,Ties Hi 99, 35.1265%,34.9292%,0.3946% "AQs, AK, AKs, JJ+", 64.8735%,64.6762%,0.3946% according to the FE calcs we need him folding 62% ish of the time to break even, and ofc, by 3b'ing and not jamming we give him the opportunity to potentially jam worse which ofc increases our equity and leaves us requiring less folds to make money on the play. Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: mondatoo on July 21, 2011, 03:10:23 PM I thought there was only 1 hand lol, I'd jam the first one and either 3b/call the 2nd or peel. I'd jam the first hand expecting to get called vs a good reg 77+ AJs+, that range too wide ?
Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: Amatay on July 21, 2011, 03:21:45 PM I thought there was only 1 hand lol, I'd jam the first one and either 3b/call the 2nd or peel. I'd jam the first hand expecting to get called vs a good reg 77+ AJs+, that range too wide ? Why jam hand 1 and 3b call or peel the 2nd hand? Whats the big diff? These two hands happened pretty much bk to bk Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: mondatoo on July 21, 2011, 03:26:47 PM I thought there was only 1 hand lol, I'd jam the first one and either 3b/call the 2nd or peel. I'd jam the first hand expecting to get called vs a good reg 77+ AJs+, that range too wide ? Why jam hand 1 and 3b call or peel the 2nd hand? Whats the big diff? These two hands happened pretty much bk to bk He's opening from mid pos in hand 1 so his opening range is wider and our jamming range incs weaker hands/bluffs from late pos then if we jam vs an utg open when utg+2, doubt we are very often doing that as a bluff. Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: SuuPRlim on July 22, 2011, 03:42:34 PM I thought there was only 1 hand lol, I'd jam the first one and either 3b/call the 2nd or peel. I'd jam the first hand expecting to get called vs a good reg 77+ AJs+, that range too wide ? Why jam hand 1 and 3b call or peel the 2nd hand? Whats the big diff? These two hands happened pretty much bk to bk He's opening from mid pos in hand 1 so his opening range is wider and our jamming range incs weaker hands/bluffs from late pos then if we jam vs an utg open when utg+2, doubt we are very often doing that as a bluff. from my brief observations of online MTT tendancies isn't it the fashion to open wide UTG these days, or is that soooo 2010? Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: mondatoo on July 22, 2011, 05:06:33 PM I thought there was only 1 hand lol, I'd jam the first one and either 3b/call the 2nd or peel. I'd jam the first hand expecting to get called vs a good reg 77+ AJs+, that range too wide ? Why jam hand 1 and 3b call or peel the 2nd hand? Whats the big diff? These two hands happened pretty much bk to bk He's opening from mid pos in hand 1 so his opening range is wider and our jamming range incs weaker hands/bluffs from late pos then if we jam vs an utg open when utg+2, doubt we are very often doing that as a bluff. from my brief observations of online MTT tendancies isn't it the fashion to open wide UTG these days, or is that soooo 2010? I thought it was 2009 tbh, I agree but I don't think people attack it too much. Title: Re: 99 with 30 bigs facing a early open. Post by: NigDawG on July 24, 2011, 12:47:13 PM does he really 4b jam with worse than 9's given that he's raised in earlyish pos and ive 3b with about 4 players to act? What would be your play with 99 here if you hand 40, 50 or 60 bigs here and villian had you covered, i guess peel then? However, if were miles ahead with 99 with 30 bigs and people are saying get it in, fistpump etc then why not get it in fistpump if we have a much bigger stack. yeh vs this opponent i would fistpump 3b/5b 60bb i guess i have a completely diff dynamic vs him but even so the guy opens very very very wide from all positions. he's not an idiot, he is aware of how wide he opens, and therefore fights back vs 3bets pretty wide too u could just ship over him with 30bb and it'd be profitable, but our hand is just about good enough to try and induce. the trick is to 3bet other hands at other points in the game so that this 3bet doesn't look absurdly strong |