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Anyone got one? Pros cons v an I phone? I like the fact that it is smaller than an I-phone, camera looks half decent too for a phone. Would prefer any hatred for apple was put to one side and an objective view please........

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No brainer, simply miles ahead of the sheeple phone...

Why please? Would prefer solid reasons rather than just because u have one..........

Faster cpu, crisper screen, just feels better overall...well it does to me... 8)

Did u have an I-phone before for comparison?

you can make calls, something that iphones seem to struggle with. no reliance on itunes. removable battery. flash.

LOL I wish people would give me an impartial view, without the love/hate apple thing, sigh............

that is impartial. I've given you 4 pros. there are no cons, I'm not going to invent them just so you get a balanced view

if I wanted to do the apple hate thing I could reel off 20 reasons to go android over iphone

Ok ty. Anyone who has an I-phone, why is it better?

is this HTC the latest one?

What about the sensation?

Look's bigger, prefer a smaller phone, that's partly who I'm looking at at this instead of the I-phone which is bigger again............

The wildfire looks smaller again........hmmm

lol at iphone being sheepy. Until the latest HTC (which was realeased a year later) it was clearly the best phone on the market. Now its pretty close but the iphone 5 comes out in August so probably best to hold out for that or at least get a shorter contract so you can upgrade to 5 asap.

As for iphone 4 vs HTC, the iphone is the winner if you already use itunes cos its all there already or if you want better camera and video. HTC has a faster processor and the multitasking is smoother but most of the reviews say that you're only really going to notice the difference if you hammer the apps pretty hard

Iphones were obv really popular in the last year or two, now apple bashing is in so everyones getting HTCs. Answers on a postcard what'll happen when everyone has an HTC and the iphone 5 gets established.

I can only talk about the iphone from personal experience but I've had one since the iphone 2 and never had a technical fault. One broke but that was because I dropped it face down in the road and phone covers tilt me. HTC is probably cheaper though so flip a coin I guess if you're that unsure.

Gotta be honest I'd snap get an I-phone if it weren't so damn big. Part of the reason I've still got on old sony ericsson is because phones seem to have got bigger since then and I like its portability, probs going to have to go into a shop and check them out in person.

With a HTC can i put my I tunes music onto it or is there compatability issues?

Quite a funny debate this as people are either sold on one or the other in the main so its hard to get true impartiality.......

lol at everyone (in general not just here) who thinks they have to pick sides.

All I can say is from personal experience, I had an iPhone, then got a HTC. I liked the HTC, and agree that they seem a lot faster as both a processor and for web surfing. However, I have switched back to an iPhone because they are just so easy to use, so instinctive, and imo better for the basic consumer stuff like pictures, music, video, facebook etc.

Woodsey, the Sensation is light years ahead of the Desire in pretty much every way.

Have you held one? Yes, it's bigger than the Desire, but the cons of that are outweighed by the pros.

The desire is about 18 months old (maybe two years) and the technology has moved on dramatically. I have a Desire and it's still an excellent phone, but the missus has just got the Sensation and I want one now.

As for the comparison between Android and the iPhone, it depends what you want.

If you want a video/music device, with slick apps and can live with the negatives the iPhone has in terms of an actual communication device, then the iPhone might be for you. If you're after a phone primarily for calls, texts, web, emails, etc., then I'm waiting for anyone to put forward a case for the iPhone ahead of a decent android phone.

I'm an android fanboy, so probably exhibiting bias. So take all that with a pinch of salt.

As for the wildfire, I definitely wouldn't. Vastly underpowered.

There is another choice, and StuHop is the man to ask on this one. If you want the benefits of android, but do watch a lot of video on your phone the Samsung Galaxy S II looks the schnizzle. Again it's a similar size to the sensation, but slimmer.

Oh, here's an example of the android out performing an iPhone. I was at an event last weekend and this meant I wasn't near a telly to watch the rugby league match on the BBC.

Fortunately, I could go to the BBC website and watch the whole thing on my phone. I'd had my phone on all day, and with the demands of the screen and constant streaming of the video the battery needed changing at half time. No problem though and I managed to watch the whole match and Wigan beat Warrington and I was a happy bunny.

With an iPhone I couldn't have done that.

Dan, "clearly the best phone" using what metrics? I'd challenge that statement and can back it up with a decent argument. Can you, or are you just an iPhone fanboy?

Dan, my iPhone did 3 hours of the British GP used 40% battery? 50% of that was on 3G

such a brag

I phone batteries are shit - thats it! I love my i phone but the batteries are a fucking disgrace. Apps are even less considerate to the shit battery life.

Just to merge threads Guy, if you have an iPhone and you are going to Spain. If you are in a wifi area use FaceTime it's free.( if the person you are calling also has iPhone/ iPod or iPad lol)

My phone had been on for 24 hours without charge before I watched the rugby.

You can swap the battery on your iphone can you if it dies?  Another question, can you watch Sky Anywhere on an iphone (geniune question, I have no idea if you can or not)?

Sky sports 1 and 2 are covered with a free app called sky go.
Tv catchup covers most channels.
My other TV apps are BBC iplayer, itv player, 4OD

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg.

thanks for that. Very useful to know, but unfortuately my requirements are for business use and therefore thats a no go.

I have the older version the the HTC desire and cant wait to get rid of; battery on mine is awful(have tried different battery) plus have had loads of glitches with mine.... software hanging up quite a bit(not good when you use it for work), when I click in a message it goes into someone elses message(end up texting the wrong person because of this) this fault has happened with others I know have the desire. trying to delete messages takes an age. Tried everything from resets to wiping it clean and nothing has helped. even though my phone is faulty and I am willing to go on a 2 year contract O2 are unwilling to upgrade me 2 months early so I will be leaving O2 & going to vodaphone with the Iphone 4. O2 will be losing 2 long term contracts out of this issue.

Will never go back to O2
Will never go back to HTC

Sigh at having to put disclaimers on everything

When I was looking for a new contract the iphone 4 was clearly the best phone for my requirements. I already used itunes, didn't care that it was a bit bigger than other phones available, had a lot more apps than the android at that point and from trying both of them out in store the iphone struck me as more user-friendly.

I did say in my post that I'm an iphone user and can't claim to be BBC impartial

I've had every single iPhone (2G, 3G, 3Gs, 4) and I was pretty impressed with them all with exception to the 4. Both myself and 2 other colleagues have had at least 3 replacements due to drop calls and the dreaded "No Sim" error. I wouldn't have another iPhone 4 if you gave it to me other than to sell it on eBay for the cash!

After my last iPhone 4 replacement I tried an Android phone with my own money as my phone is a business contract. I was immediately so much happier with the fact I could reliably receive and make phones calls! Lol. Ok, my phone choice wasn't the best (Dell Streak 5") but the Android operating system in my opinion is far better. I'll try and draw up some comparrions for you with the iPhone 4 vs my sparkly new HTC Sensation which I don't actually think is that big:

In fact no, bugger it, I'll forward you to a good comparison someone else did: http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/856383/htc_sensation_vs_apple_iphone_4.html (http://www.knowyourmobile.com/comparisons/856383/htc_sensation_vs_apple_iphone_4.html)

For me, it's a no brainier, the only thing that may give the Sensation a run for it's money in the not to distant future MAY be the iPhone 5, but firstly don't hold your breath for the release date, and 2. be prepared to have to switch networks as it'll probably get an exclusivity license from one of the operators.

One last thing with regards to the size, please try a smart phone. I promise you that after a couple of months use, you'll wonder how you ever got on with the traditional style phone!

HTH. Paul.

Thanks chaps all noted  :)

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So to summarise, it was "clearly the best phone" because you just thought it was. You didn't really compare it to any other phone in terms of how it actually worked with calls, texts, emails, web browsing, etc.

Never had an iPhone...but love the desire hd......kin...the sensation?...how much better is it? N briefly why?....if you can be arsed....ta

i recently got the iphone 4 and have some experience to compare it against a HTC (my girlfriend has one) and what i think the iphone has in its favour its is useability.

i think you could quite easily pick one up without ever having touched one in your life and you just 'know' what to do and how to use, where as i did/do struggle abit more when using my girlfriends HTC

Can get a wildfire S for free or pay £140 for a sensation, of course the I-phone 5 is out soon (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Confused/dazed.gif)

Never had an iphone so cannot compare but have a htc desire and the battery life is terrible

Watch Apple's "soon". As my old man would say, "don't get strung up by the thumbs!"


I hammer my Sensation daily and as long as I charge it at night, I'm fine.

Have you ever tried any apps to extend the battery life, or even tried switching the wi-fi or GPS off?  Just wondering...

I have had the Desire for over a year, and not had a problem with the battery dying on me, but then again, I've set the phone up to use the battery as wisely as possible and also have spare batteries if necessary.

Any reccomendations ? my wifi and gps are never on and my desire lasts about 7 hours - im at work for 9 so its kinda annoying

boshi is a tosser and knows very little about anything. the wife and myself have i phones. we both dropped em and they smashed so need to claim on the insurance. my step son has the htc and says its a far superior phone to the i phone in most departments. he is young so uses it a lot more than we use ours and knows a lot more about this stuff than we do. but boshi is a tosser and knows very little about anything. ;)

Terminating apps definitely helps. What I like especially for late nights at DTD when battery power is minimal, at the touch of a button from my home screen I can turn off WiFi, Sync, GPS and 3G. That's good for about 2hrs extra battery from my experience.

I'm on a rooted phone using cyanogen mod.
Juice Defender ultimate is a good app for extending battery life
Tasker (brilliant app for lots of reasons. One related to battery life is that my GPS is turned off by default, but is switched on automatically when I start the maps app, and automatically switches off when I close the maps app).
Screen set to automatic dim (not sure if that's available on non-rooted phones or not,  but the screen tends to be the biggest drain of battery)
Oh, and I also usually carry a few spare batteries around with me if I'm away from my charger for a day or two.  That means I get more than a long-weekend's use even if I'm hammering the phone.

the whole "turning off wifi and 3g" arguement annoys me (same for i phone, along with turn down the screen brightness)

I dont want to be planning on saving teh battery everytime i use it - i want a battery that lasts a day - pref 2 - its called fit for purpose and I phones not having a replacement battery is teh biggest con of all

i saw marc goodwin watching tv on his a couple of years back and what looked to be a battery device plugged in it. would this have been the case?

Ok just been to look at all the said phones.

- sensation is out, too fucking big I want a small phone and I have an iPad for all my multimedia needs.

- cba waiting for new I phone

- looked at the wildfire S and the desire. Have to say I liked the wildfire and is a perfect little pocket phone for me.

All I need it for is calls, texts, the odd email, a bit of surfing and photos. Any reason I shouldn't snap buy it? I know it's not as powerful as the other phones but I don't think my use will demand a powerful phone and I have my I pad for all other multimedia stuff anyway.

Any last comments to talk me out of it before I snap buy the wildfire S?

Not sure I understand.  If you have a car that does 50mpg, would you not want it to be switched off when parked up doing nothing rather than left running and using fuel unnecessarily?   Of course, you don't want it to cut the fuel when you need it, but why use it up when it's not required?

I'd agree to a certain extent. But when your caught short without a charger or spare battery, it's nice to be able to preserve the battery for another couple of hours.

Quit arguing and answer my question before the orange store closes at 10pm LOL  :D

Exactly. Woodsey posted asking for opinions on the two and my opinion at the time was that the iphone 4 was clearly the best one available. Not really sure why you've decided to jump down my throat about it but if any personal offence was caused then my sincerest apologies.

With it being the year 2010 I assumed that whatever phone I bought would be fine for calls, texts, emails and browsing and I've yet to be shown otherwise.

HTC Wildfire S shipped, pretty sure its all I need for my purposes  :)

lol. you've been in vegas too long dan. written word is often taken the wrong way. i am sure dan phillips meant no offence chill man ffs. ;)

LOL Dan, you can say and think what you want. Just wanted to know the reasoning behind you thinking it was clearly the best phone. Funnily enough I looked at a different phone and thought exactly the same thing.

You got upset at gatso's sheep comment, but then seemed to then go along with the iphone party line without really explaining why you thought it was the best phone.

You say that it was 2010 and you assumed that any phone would do the basics well. That's not necessarily true.

But let's not fall out about it ;)

Weee, downloaded free version off this, got through work whilst battery still in green, gonna snap buy the ultimate one now, thanks alot

Is there much difference between the free version and the ultimate one?