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Title: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 20, 2011, 11:50:25 AM Satellite for GUKPT on Thursday Night
1500 - 3000 with Ante 4 get Seats, 6 left Me and Villian have the big stacks - 100,000 plus, he does have slightly more Villian (JJ) has been raising a least half of his hands on the Final Table 4 other stacks - 1 is around 50,000 others are Short Villian Raises to 15k in the Cut Off Me in the Big Blind - Aces Me? Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: outragous76 on August 20, 2011, 11:57:12 AM Just jam, why we trying to make this difficult?
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 20, 2011, 12:01:54 PM Jam? A few people watching said this? I did not Jam.
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: paulhouk03 on August 20, 2011, 12:15:34 PM raise and jam any flop?
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 20, 2011, 12:22:21 PM ????????????
Rightly or Wrongly I folded my Aces (face up just to be Funny) Felt I had a seat locked up and did not see the point in messing with the other big stack could have min raised and that should have got a fold from him but then again he could then go and make a mistake by shoving on me Anyone else agree with folding those ACES? Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: paulhouk03 on August 20, 2011, 12:23:15 PM no never folding aces preflop
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: SuuPRlim on August 20, 2011, 01:16:56 PM Important thing to remember here is that he cannot really call anything, in this spot so jam and add 20% to your stack. IF HE CALLS then wii ur 80% to be completely guarenteed a seat. although pretty sure he should be folding the kings here and might even lay the other 2 aces down :P
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: Eso Kral on August 20, 2011, 02:24:44 PM Important thing to remember here is that he cannot really call anything, in this spot so jam and add 20% to your stack. IF HE CALLS then wii ur 80% to be completely guarenteed a seat. although pretty sure he should be folding the kings here and might even lay the other 2 aces down :P Eso likes this ^^Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: boldie on August 20, 2011, 02:32:15 PM Important thing to remember here is that he cannot really call anything, in this spot so jam and add 20% to your stack. IF HE CALLS then wii ur 80% to be completely guarenteed a seat. although pretty sure he should be folding the kings here and might even lay the other 2 aces down :P Very much this. No excuse for folding Aces...ESPECIALLY face up. Doesn't make you look clever but makes you look the mug at the table everyone can take advantage off on the bubble. Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 20, 2011, 03:55:12 PM Why do I want to play ANY hand with the only stack that covers me , pretty sure he is going to fold if I shove but why risk it with with 3 small stacks
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: boldie on August 20, 2011, 03:57:17 PM Why do I want to play ANY hand with the only stack that covers me , pretty sure he is going to fold if I shove but why risk it with with 3 small stacks Because you haven't won it yet? Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: SuuPRlim on August 20, 2011, 04:43:24 PM Why do I want to play ANY hand with the only stack that covers me , pretty sure he is going to fold if I shove but why risk it with with 3 small stacks Fold Equity. (also having the best possible starting hand is a pretty useful addition to this play) Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: action man on August 20, 2011, 05:30:18 PM also you must remember that you will be playing with 4 droolers who wont know when they have a seat locked.
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: outragous76 on August 20, 2011, 05:57:08 PM WIPL
did you ask yourself this before folding "what hands does he actually call with"? Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: AlexMartin on August 21, 2011, 06:24:35 AM Important thing to remember here is that he cannot really call anything, in this spot so jam and add 20% to your stack. IF HE CALLS then wii ur 80% to be completely guarenteed a seat. although pretty sure he should be folding the kings here and might even lay the other 2 aces down :P this, hand seems like a brag that you folded AA pre, in a spot where thats pretty silly. Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: danny_b on August 26, 2011, 11:39:08 PM Ridic. Please tell me you didn't get a seat.
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: Dubai on August 26, 2011, 11:56:20 PM If you are that worried then look down at cards excitedly say "Im all in too" and turn your hand over as you put all your chips in, look at the dealer in confusion when they ask why u turned your hand over, say "I thought he moved all in and he covers me" , they might let off, worst case scenario u get 1 lap penalty which is unlikely but still adds to your chip stack with the 20% pick up hand before. Easy game
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: geordieneil on August 27, 2011, 12:11:07 AM what answer u looking for? a complete waste of forum space this thread
u want advice? give up poker Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: SuuPRlim on August 27, 2011, 03:55:27 AM If you are that worried then look down at cards excitedly say "Im all in too" and turn your hand over as you put all your chips in, look at the dealer in confusion when they ask why u turned your hand over, say "I thought he moved all in and he covers me" , they might let off, worst case scenario u get 1 lap penalty which is unlikely but still adds to your chip stack with the 20% pick up hand before. Easy game alllll the anglres!!!! he's right tho Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: GreekStein on August 27, 2011, 03:59:40 AM WAT
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 27, 2011, 10:10:41 AM Danny B
If I am folding Aces and there are 3 stacks with no more than 5 Big Blinds its pretty safe to say that I am not risking my huge stack/locked up seat Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: SuuPRlim on August 27, 2011, 10:54:43 AM dnt get me wrong I understand the theory behind the fold. was just a bad spot to do it.
there is a huge difference between CALLING his jam (had he jammed and you now have to call off it would be an entirely different discussion) and you being able to jam Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: celtic on August 27, 2011, 01:23:04 PM Lildave says it so beautifully, geordieneil says it like Gazza talking to Raol Moat.
Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: geordieneil on August 27, 2011, 02:29:49 PM Lildave says it so beautifully, geordieneil says it like Gazza talking to Raol Moat. i'll get my reel & rod :) its not often a thread winds me up, but i found this one pathetic, some one screaming look at me i folded AA preflop i must be a genius......................wrong,it possibly the worst fold i have ever heard about, he by far had a seat locked up, shorties can v.easily double up and double again. there no way mr JJ is calling a shove by the only person who can damage him...............folding face up.....lolololololololololol........the icing on the fishcake Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: EvilPie on August 27, 2011, 02:40:59 PM Serious question.
Why did you even bother looking at your cards? Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: geordieneil on August 27, 2011, 02:51:19 PM Serious question. Why did you even bother looking at your cards? hoping he had AA so he could fold it face up, then post it on a poker forum and look a tit ldo Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 27, 2011, 03:13:04 PM This was a post not for reasons look at me I folded Aces - Not really that type of person, normally just get on with things, not looking for attention etc
Quiet New to Poker, normally only playing the £40 at Luton so obviusly getting a seat into the main event would (and was) a big deal for me (truly was the WPIL in that event) The 3 short stacks at the table were playing very tight and the blinds were going eating away at them quickly, so even if one of them Doubled and Doubled up, I was confident of the seat and in all honestly I felt I had the seat and as I said the seat was a big deal for me. Thanks for all the feedback but given the same circumstances I would probably play it the same way but probably would not show as that was not needed to be done and was out of character for me! Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: geordieneil on August 27, 2011, 05:14:21 PM sorry i may of been a tad harsh, but u NEVER had the seat locked at that point, it is very possible all the short stacks can get back into it and next time u might well not get a seat, the fold was truly awful.
like evilpie says....why even bother looking at your cards, and showing just made u look a tit (sorry, but true) there are situations when folding AA preflop is maybe the right thing to do, this occasion definitely wasn't one of them, its as simple a shove as you will ever see. gl in the event Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: GreekStein on August 27, 2011, 05:31:42 PM Thanks for all the feedback but given the same circumstances I would probably play it the same way but probably would not show as that was not needed to be done and was out of character for me! Probably no point posting on PHA then in the future. Lots of good players and celtic have given you really good advice about this hand and how to change your thinking and approach this scenario differently but you just wanted to ignore everyone? I don't get it. Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: JK on August 27, 2011, 07:14:01 PM Thanks for all the feedback but given the same circumstances I would probably play it the same way but probably would not show as that was not needed to be done and was out of character for me! Probably no point posting on PHA then in the future. Lots of good players and celtic have given you really good advice about this hand and how to change your thinking and approach this scenario differently but you just wanted to ignore everyone? I don't get it. Was exactly what I was gonna post but couldnt word it Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: kukushkin88 on August 27, 2011, 08:51:02 PM Lildave says it so beautifully, geordieneil says it like Gazza talking to Raol Moat. i'll get my reel & rod :) its not often a thread winds me up, but i found this one pathetic, some one screaming look at me i folded AA preflop i must be a genius......................wrong,it possibly the worst fold i have ever heard about, he by far had a seat locked up, shorties can v.easily double up and double again. there no way mr JJ is calling a shove by the only person who can damage him...............folding face up.....lolololololololololol........the icing on the fishcake Terrible fold but you'll find a much worse one here: http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=54796.0 Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: FUN4FRASER on August 30, 2011, 07:49:30 PM what answer u looking for? a complete waste of forum space this thread u want advice? give up poker Very Constructive Reply :) Of course there is a case sometimes in satellites not to get involved when chipped up and drift into a seat... however this appears not to be one of those so imo it was a no brainer pre flop jam which as my learned colleague stated above would of nullified the need for this post :) Title: Re: Aces in Big Blind Post by: WPIL on August 30, 2011, 09:06:01 PM Thanks all again for the feedback, I will have to accept I made the wrong decision as not 1 person agreed with my thought behind it, I think I was swayed by the 3 small stacks who were absolutley doing nothing and were IMO playing so tight (in fact, harshly for one, he got a penalty for folding out of turn which resulted him in blinding off to 500 which he didn't want to stay around for) I posted not for show or ego but that I was concerned that I was folding the best hand pre flop, which was a first for me
I accept I am a tit! I accept I have a lot to learn! I accept I should not show! He would have folded and I could have gone home then! Please take note in future when I shove in a satellite it will be with ACES - please fold thanks |