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We're playing £480ish. The straddle is to £16. To my way of thinking this gives us 30 bigs but I know some people don't agree with that.

Anyway. We're 6 handed I believe. Mitch has put the £16 straddle on, Terry the £8, Nick Hicks the £4.

A young gentleman is utg which is the button. He limps for £16.

Ac Ts in the SB. I raise to £60. Terry in the double straddle 3bets to £155. Folds round. We?

Button is a spewy fish with some moves but they aren't very good. When he limps he never has a strong hand, most likely a hand he wants to see a flop with. I think he'll peel a raise almost 100% so raise for straight up value and isolation.

Terry is fairly maniacal. He has been known to do some really crazy shit and can show up with 72o here. How maniacal he is, however, depends greatly on his mood, and today he's been fairly quiet, got out of line once to my knowledge showing T5o raising to 58 in a 16straddle pot. Views me as tightish I think but has played with me quite a lot so knows my games fairly well. He usually sits with 1k minimum. I've seen him blow through 4.5k in a few hours just from bluffing. But as I said, he's much more sedate recently and has been winning the last couple of weeks.

I struggle with spots like this pre, when there's a few straddles on and suddenly have <30 bets. Who open folds pre? Who gets it in here as played or lets it go? I understand it's quite hard without knowing more about the villain but hopefully the info given is enough.

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here). Really think raising is the worst of 3 here, folding is never going to be a huge mistake, but i think calling is kinda cool here. A couple of people in the game are pretty squeeze-happy, so if you get raised by one of those you're then in a far better spot to get it in with some fold equity (and equity when called), and if unraised it gives you a decent shot of flopping a concealed(ish) TPTK sort of hand where you have a good SPR and are likely to get some value.

As played I'd probably get it in but its probably bad.

Has mitch been cutting out chips very often?

As stato says, A T off in the SB is not a hand I would raise with here. Probs flat myself but can see how some would fold here (think that's a bit too tight though).

As played, and you probably should have seen his 3bet coming, I probably get it in (and silently pray he'll fold to my shove).

Think the raise pre makes it a very tricky spot though and I would say it's definitely spewy.

This is why I bottled it cos I just stick it in his eye

always going to be able to justify jamming in this spot.

Think i might let this go though.

Decision pretty much 100% based  on Terry's mood at the time.
Having said that, he has a good appreciation of stack sizes, and is probs not doing this too light given your stack.

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

I'd be happily getting this in against Terry although as Neil says it's very dependant on his mood.

Only you know how he was playing at the time so only you or the other 4 guys at the table can really answer the question.

Btw. "Spewy fish with some moves but they aren't very good" is one of the most accurate descriptions I've ever heard :D

:D

Sorry Mitch, gotta tell it like it is yo

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

Except when someone 3 bets you and you're OOP, obv. Personally I don't like playing A 10 off OOP so would never raise with it when in the SB (OK, almost never) but guess it all depends on how comfortable you are with your post flop play when OOP.

With one limper I'm always raising AT in the sb. Esp when I could get peeled by worse from a few spots round the table.

Ussually I'd be OK with that but you still have 3 people to act behind you which would make me more cautious.

I think limping is pretty bad, hand isnt strong enough to limp/raise and folding is too nitty.  100% raise/decide imo

not sure i'm in love with this thought process, this would be a pretty spewy get in in a tournament for example. he isn't 3betting worse for value so it boils down to his bluffing frequency here. what hands he bluffs with IDK, he might pick suited "blocker" hands like  Kd 6d,  Ac 3c to be light with, or he might just pick the best hands he doesn;t think he can call with,  Jd 8d,  9c 7c etc either way we're going to need a decent amount of folds to show some profit here I imagine.

Terry doesn't think like that. If he thinks it's a good spot to bluff, he'll bluff no matter what his cards are. He'll peel with both those hands you mentioned, and a fair bit worse too - 45suited, k9 suited etc, even this shallow.

Excellent..just get it in now then.

wow, sounds pretty bad. I'd get it in then most likely, If you think he is legitimate/bluffing a near enough equal amount of time you prolly should go with it.

I think my getting it in range here would be ajs+ aqo+ 99+, kqs+ sometimes

i like the limp/jam line only becuase Ajit(?) has already limped.  

as played i think folding is best if Terry hasn't been on spew mode. He can make speculative live-player-esqe bluffs sometime that don't really seem to make much theoretical sense but am not sure he will do so enough in this spot, with these stacks against an EP opener who isn't also a maniac :-S.

He goes by 'feel' when he makes these random bluffs but imo Terry doesn't see this as a good bluff spot enough to have any air in his range. He will however make really really thin plays in these spots if he feels even a tiny edge as he doesn't care about variance - so maybe you see a fair amount of low pairs or KQ if you jam (id still fold).

I meant folding it pre prior to the 3 bet was a joke.

After the 3 bet it comes down to the guy we're playing and A10 is fucking enormous against him.

Terry doesn't know what a "blocker hand" is.

Terry can happily 3 bet worse thinking it's for value.

Terry could well call with worse thinking he's winning.

Terry could well call with worse thinking he might hit anyway.

This spot isn't going to occur in a tournament. It's been straddled so even though we're in the sb with just 1 limper there's still 4 left to act. I can't think of how a similar situation could occur in a tournament.

If we look at the order of straddles then we could say that Terry is the SB. There's been a limper and a raise from MP.

What's to stop the him squeezing here?

Given this circumstance against a spewey SB I'd happily get my 30 tournament big blinds in with A10.

I know that we're actually oop but that's completely irrelevant as we're deciding whether to get it in now or not.

ok.. 2 callers. pot 190 u have 420 back and the flop is 9c5c3h. What's the plan?

I don't want to tell you in case we get into this spot tomorrow

FYP

You can manufacture a difficult spot for any hand and any flop if you really want to.

This spot looks like a straight forward check fold to me.

As it happens we've not got that problem as our spewey oppo has obligingly chucked in another bet for us.

id do a check fold on that one anyway. and would check overpairs as well for balance.

Another consideration here is Terry's attitude towards nits.

He'll happily give action if you give a little back. The guy likes a gamble every now and then and you don't want to be losing him from your games.

If you flick it in here there's a chance you may be ahead. There's a chance you may be flipping. There's a chance you may be behind.

Worst case is that he's got you crushed but you make him all happy because he sees that you're prepared to have a gamble wih him.

Even if you're behind you might bink so just get it in.

Yeh I think it was really good for my image to get it in here and show AT (unfortunately didn't have the luxury of having to show to claim the pot sigh), but perhaps bad for my ev line. need mitch to comment really as he was there and knows terry the best.

Note for everybody else. Only against Terry.

Maybe next time you get this sort of spot you could say "go on then Tel. Let's have a gamble". You might get him to call off some pretty bad hands if he likes playing against you.

Would be good to hear what Mitch thinks definitely. I've only played Terry a few times and he's been on a crazy day every time.

Mitch will know how he was on this particular session.

the information we've had about Terry is considerably different on pg2 than on pg3

seems like a mandatory all in now i agree with Matt.

I can sense a signature change coming along.

Playing with him for 15 mins yesterday tells me this is a jam

yup. you were in fact, RIGHT.

Lol, sure you would. This is why SPR of 2 is a nightmare fwiw, I agree with stato that the 1st raise pre is burning money. Limp-decide imo

2 callers is the nut worst number though. 1 or 4/5 giving pot at 130 or 250/310 with 420 back and it's much easier.

Disagree again. Think neither situation is profitable.

Terry is capable of having a huuuge range here and anything other than jamming would be a huge mistake imo.

If we think that we can get someone behind to pull a joke spewy 3bet then raise/4bet is clearly best imo

would you open in the first place dan or "limp/decide" as keys put it?

i think iso raising the limper is fine.

even if its very unlikely to isolate anyone?

its not very unlikely imo.

guess so... u ended up pretty isolated

I always get to PHA when all the intersting stuff has been said, so feel like a +1er

Anyway....

Think some of the views on Terry might be a little outdated.

He used to come in pissed a lot and undoubtedly be looking to give it away. Recently, although theres no doubt hes on a massive heater, he has improved his game a lot and it putting pressure on in good spots and not spewing nearly hardly as much. Deffo still has tilt inside him wanting to come out, but when your crushing like he has been lately, tilt is easier to control.

This spots quite tricky, and as you say, is very dependant on the mood hes in, but im almost deffo gonna iso the limper here playing short handed vs a player whos gonna be pretty straight forward and call-y post flop.

Terry has been reasonably quiet in the game but hes very aware your range for raising there is prob a bit tighter than most. I think i might just let him have it in this specific spot, but theres many other nights when this is just a standard jam vs him.

well, given the nature of the triple straddle, people simply aren't going to whip out the peel very often behind. So you either play a pot with a weaker player, or get 3 bet where you have to makea decision as to whether to jam or fold. 

So what happened in the end?

Ive played poker  with terry briefly. have played loads of poker with your self, Mitch, Mr deadman and many of the dtd regs. my personal opinion here is that I'm actually anticipating a 3 bet behind me here so I'm willing to get the lot in. I'm pretty sure this would be profitable over time in this situation. i agree  with you that's your stack is on 30bb so I'm not raise folding here. obv it helps if Ive been playing at the table but would be surprised to see you fold here

Are you famous? Sports person? Politician? Do you write musicals?!

no just a normal guy. im the one who no-one notices at the table the quiet guy who will happily grind all night long. sports person........ poker is the sport.