AT in SB, Live Cash, Triple straddled pot.

[cambridgealex]

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

not sure i'm in love with this thought process, this would be a pretty spewy get in in a tournament for example. he isn't 3betting worse for value so it boils down to his bluffing frequency here. what hands he bluffs with IDK, he might pick suited "blocker" hands like  ,  to be light with, or he might just pick the best hands he doesn;t think he can call with,  ,  etc either way we're going to need a decent amount of folds to show some profit here I imagine.

Terry doesn't think like that. If he thinks it's a good spot to bluff, he'll bluff no matter what his cards are. He'll peel with both those hands you mentioned, and a fair bit worse too - 45suited, k9 suited etc, even this shallow.

[boldie]

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

not sure i'm in love with this thought process, this would be a pretty spewy get in in a tournament for example. he isn't 3betting worse for value so it boils down to his bluffing frequency here. what hands he bluffs with IDK, he might pick suited "blocker" hands like  ,  to be light with, or he might just pick the best hands he doesn;t think he can call with,  ,  etc either way we're going to need a decent amount of folds to show some profit here I imagine.

Terry doesn't think like that. If he thinks it's a good spot to bluff, he'll bluff no matter what his cards are. He'll peel with both those hands you mentioned, and a fair bit worse too - 45suited, k9 suited etc, even this shallow.

Excellent..just get it in now then.

[SuuPRlim]

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

not sure i'm in love with this thought process, this would be a pretty spewy get in in a tournament for example. he isn't 3betting worse for value so it boils down to his bluffing frequency here. what hands he bluffs with IDK, he might pick suited "blocker" hands like  ,  to be light with, or he might just pick the best hands he doesn;t think he can call with,  ,  etc either way we're going to need a decent amount of folds to show some profit here I imagine.

Terry doesn't think like that. If he thinks it's a good spot to bluff, he'll bluff no matter what his cards are. He'll peel with both those hands you mentioned, and a fair bit worse too - 45suited, k9 suited etc, even this shallow.

wow, sounds pretty bad. I'd get it in then most likely, If you think he is legitimate/bluffing a near enough equal amount of time you prolly should go with it.

[pleno1]

I think my getting it in range here would be ajs+ aqo+ 99+, kqs+ sometimes

[TheFallen]

i like the limp/jam line only becuase Ajit(?) has already limped.  

as played i think folding is best if Terry hasn't been on spew mode. He can make speculative live-player-esqe bluffs sometime that don't really seem to make much theoretical sense but am not sure he will do so enough in this spot, with these stacks against an EP opener who isn't also a maniac :-S.

He goes by 'feel' when he makes these random bluffs but imo Terry doesn't see this as a good bluff spot enough to have any air in his range. He will however make really really thin plays in these spots if he feels even a tiny edge as he doesn't care about variance - so maybe you see a fair amount of low pairs or KQ if you jam (id still fold).

[EvilPie]

Folding this pre would be an absolute joke and should be your queue to leave and find a new game.

We've got 30bbs 6 handed and we've got an ace with a big card next to it.

not sure i'm in love with this thought process, this would be a pretty spewy get in in a tournament for example. he isn't 3betting worse for value so it boils down to his bluffing frequency here. what hands he bluffs with IDK, he might pick suited "blocker" hands like  ,  to be light with, or he might just pick the best hands he doesn;t think he can call with,  ,  etc either way we're going to need a decent amount of folds to show some profit here I imagine.

I meant folding it pre prior to the 3 bet was a joke.

After the 3 bet it comes down to the guy we're playing and A10 is fucking enormous against him.

Terry doesn't know what a "blocker hand" is.

Terry can happily 3 bet worse thinking it's for value.

Terry could well call with worse thinking he's winning.

Terry could well call with worse thinking he might hit anyway.

This spot isn't going to occur in a tournament. It's been straddled so even though we're in the sb with just 1 limper there's still 4 left to act. I can't think of how a similar situation could occur in a tournament.

If we look at the order of straddles then we could say that Terry is the SB. There's been a limper and a raise from MP.

What's to stop the him squeezing here?

Given this circumstance against a spewey SB I'd happily get my 30 tournament big blinds in with A10.

I know that we're actually oop but that's completely irrelevant as we're deciding whether to get it in now or not.

[stato_1]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

ok.. 2 callers. pot 190 u have 420 back and the flop is 9c5c3h. What's the plan?

[cambridgealex]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

ok.. 2 callers. pot 190 u have 420 back and the flop is 9c5c3h. What's the plan?

I don't want to tell you in case we get into this spot tomorrow

[stato_1]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

ok.. 2 callers. pot 190 u have 420 back and the flop is 9c5c3h. What's the plan?

I don't want to tell you in case we get into this spot tomorrow

NFI

FYP

[EvilPie]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

ok.. 2 callers. pot 190 u have 420 back and the flop is 9c5c3h. What's the plan?

You can manufacture a difficult spot for any hand and any flop if you really want to.

This spot looks like a straight forward check fold to me.

As it happens we've not got that problem as our spewey oppo has obligingly chucked in another bet for us.

[cambridgealex]

I really hate the 60 pre from the sb. In that game it will get through roughly -4% of the time and post flop you're going to be put in tough spots (or pre flop like here).

Not sure I really agree with this. It wasn't a very loose or gambly game, I would expect to get peeled by Ajit and probably one of Mitch/Terry/Nick - it wasn't the sort of game where we 5 people were flicking in 60 pre often.

And with my stack I don't think I can be put in that many awkward spots post. With 2 callers pot will be ~190  I'll have 420 back, I don't think it'll be that tough.

I do see what you mean though and had my reservations at the time about raising pre.

ok.. 2 callers. pot 190 u have 420 back and the flop is 9c5c3h. What's the plan?

I don't want to tell you in case we get into this spot tomorrow

NFI

FYP

id do a check fold on that one anyway. and would check overpairs as well for balance.

[EvilPie]

Another consideration here is Terry's attitude towards nits.

He'll happily give action if you give a little back. The guy likes a gamble every now and then and you don't want to be losing him from your games.

If you flick it in here there's a chance you may be ahead. There's a chance you may be flipping. There's a chance you may be behind.

Worst case is that he's got you crushed but you make him all happy because he sees that you're prepared to have a gamble wih him.

Even if you're behind you might bink so just get it in.

[cambridgealex]

Another consideration here is Terry's attitude towards nits.

He'll happily give action if you give a little back. The guy likes a gamble every now and then and you don't want to be losing him from your games.

If you flick it in here there's a chance you may be ahead. There's a chance you may be flipping. There's a chance you may be behind.

Worst case is that he's got you crushed but you make him all happy because he sees that you're prepared to have a gamble wih him.

Even if you're behind you might bink so just get it in.

Yeh I think it was really good for my image to get it in here and show AT (unfortunately didn't have the luxury of having to show to claim the pot sigh), but perhaps bad for my ev line. need mitch to comment really as he was there and knows terry the best.

[EvilPie]

Another consideration here is Terry's attitude towards nits.

He'll happily give action if you give a little back. The guy likes a gamble every now and then and you don't want to be losing him from your games.

If you flick it in here there's a chance you may be ahead. There's a chance you may be flipping. There's a chance you may be behind.

Worst case is that he's got you crushed but you make him all happy because he sees that you're prepared to have a gamble wih him.

Even if you're behind you might bink so just get it in.

Yeh I think it was really good for my image to get it in here and show AT (unfortunately didn't have the luxury of having to show to claim the pot sigh), but perhaps bad for my ev line. need mitch to comment really as he was there and knows terry the best.

Note for everybody else. Only against Terry.

Maybe next time you get this sort of spot you could say "go on then Tel. Let's have a gamble". You might get him to call off some pretty bad hands if he likes playing against you.

Would be good to hear what Mitch thinks definitely. I've only played Terry a few times and he's been on a crazy day every time.

Mitch will know how he was on this particular session.

[SuuPRlim]

the information we've had about Terry is considerably different on pg2 than on pg3

seems like a mandatory all in now i agree with Matt.