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Bristol Gala tourney.

Old fella who seems half blind/half deaf (don't actually think he is as bad as he makes out!!) in a hand with fella on the button to my left.  In previous hands the old boy is very aggro and somehow never shows hands.  The hand in question, after much 3/4 betting, has gone to showdown.

Old boy in EP is told to show but refuses. Dealer tells him to show and he still refuses. Button mucks. Old boy is told to show to claim the pot but still refuses and then goes to scoop the pot. He's told by the dealer to leave the pot alone, but he carrys on trying to scoop. He steadfastly refuses to show and in defiance fires his cards very aggressively deep into the mucked pile.

He continues to try and pull the pot in and is told to wait for a ruling. In the meantime he drags the (very big) pile of chips into his stack and purposefully knocks his remaining chips into them so as to make it impossible to know what the pot was.

The pot was 2 tables out from the FT and saved the guys tournament - and changed the dynamic of the table.  What should the TD have given as a ruling?

I'd eject him from the tournament for behaving like that and give the other guy a penalty.

If he was asked to wait for the TD and a ruling was called for, and I asked the dealer what happened. If the dealer explained it how you did I would disqualify him.

Disqualify him and confiscate his bus pass.

Tikay really should know how to behave at the poker table by now.

DQ the older guy.  Split his chip stack between all the remaining runners in the tourney (including this big pot).  Guy two gets a warning and has no claim to the pot just won as he has mucked as well, and first.

who's this 2nd person? am I reading this wrong?

The other player mucked his hand. Didn't know that was a hanging offence.

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What would you do with his chips?

Would they just be removed from the tournament?

Guy 2 is the button.  Ok I might be assuming too much but by the looks of it both have had a 'you show first' stand off.  If the river is dealt, dealer says show your cards and button straight mucks then fine, he hasn't done anything wrong (stupid, but not wrong).  I read it as the dealer had to repeatedly press upon them both to show their cards and then the button mucks.  If he's been ignoring the dealer for some ego stand off, give him a warning for ignoring the dealer.

Surely you can only win a pot by declaring your hand . Never have I witnessed a player taking a pot I'n with out showing cards on a showdown . Td should have split chips with other player and given a severe warning . Sounds like dealer needed to be a bit stronger and stopped him from grabbing pot.

Some local td's are weak as piss esp when it comes to tourney regs

Pretty standard for Gala Bristol, imo. Arguably the UK's worst run & managed Licensed Venue, & has been for many years, imo.

Queen of Diamonds him.

Not for the mucking. To be fair, you can't force him to show if he's the only one with cards left. But he can definitely be given a penalty for this if it's your rules he has to show.

But pulling the pot himself when told not to and mixing the chips up is a hanging offence imo.

IF CARLSBERG MAKE POKER, IT WONT HAPPENED IN CALA BRISTOL.

SHIT HOLE...ALL GALAS ARE.....

 ;smackedbottom; ;smackedbottom; ;smackedbottom;

especially in galas

Dq for me too. what a douche

Unfortunately although it will change the dynamics if it was a "very big pot", yes.

I would not advise any TD to try and split chips or reconstruct action as this is a slippier road and would lead to too many complications later in that comp and even later in other comps.

He would be awarded the pot as the last man standing with live cards and would be awarded a penalty, the penalty is for refusing to show and would be awarded after the hand. The penalty is enhanced from not showing when trying to influence a decision after the floor has been called (grabbing pot, mixing own chips in and deliberately mucking cards deep as to not be recovered).  Disco'd and chips removed.

How has the pot been taken away from the dealer? Definite Dq. Set an example ffs.

Regarding "TD's being weak".

I have to defend the majority of them, as a lot of places cardrooms are still of no real concern to casinos. A cardroom is seen as something a casino should have but not really wanted. Cardroom staff very rarely get backed by managers and some customers have an invisible untouchable cloak dependant on how much they drop at the tables. Working in casino's I have had times when I have been overuled by GM due to customers status swiftly followed by my resignation.

The beauty of DTD is status counts for nothing and all is fair, the managers accept the decision of TD without reason. (that's what they pay us for).

i have played alot of live poker

every ruling thread on here suggests a player being D Q'd

ive never seen anything remotely close to a dq in all my time playing

all bluster imo

I've seen a couple of DQ's.  However they were incidents where you should be getting chucked out of where ever you are (one was a guy flipping a table, another was a guy walloping another guy).  So yeah, take your point, it is pretty hard to get a DQ.

Most ruling threads on here are extreme examples and warrant disqualification, whether they get disqualified or not depends on post above. I have personally disqualified at least 6 at DTD in 4 years, in casino cardrooms 2 in 20 years (if I had had backing it would be more). Excluding drunks that I have withdrawn.