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jjandellis
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« on: September 20, 2011, 07:16:56 PM » |
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Bristol Gala tourney.
Old fella who seems half blind/half deaf (don't actually think he is as bad as he makes out!!) in a hand with fella on the button to my left. In previous hands the old boy is very aggro and somehow never shows hands. The hand in question, after much 3/4 betting, has gone to showdown.
Old boy in EP is told to show but refuses. Dealer tells him to show and he still refuses. Button mucks. Old boy is told to show to claim the pot but still refuses and then goes to scoop the pot. He's told by the dealer to leave the pot alone, but he carrys on trying to scoop. He steadfastly refuses to show and in defiance fires his cards very aggressively deep into the mucked pile.
He continues to try and pull the pot in and is told to wait for a ruling. In the meantime he drags the (very big) pile of chips into his stack and purposefully knocks his remaining chips into them so as to make it impossible to know what the pot was.
The pot was 2 tables out from the FT and saved the guys tournament - and changed the dynamic of the table. What should the TD have given as a ruling?
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GreekStein
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 07:18:07 PM » |
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Bristol Gala tourney.
Old fella who seems half blind/half deaf (don't actually think he is as bad as he makes out!!) in a hand with fella on the button to my left. In previous hands the old boy is very aggro and somehow never shows hands. The hand in question, after much 3/4 betting, has gone to showdown.
Old boy in EP is told to show but refuses. Dealer tells him to show and he still refuses. Button mucks. Old boy is told to show to claim the pot but still refuses and then goes to scoop the pot. He's told by the dealer to leave the pot alone, but he carrys on trying to scoop. He steadfastly refuses to show and in defiance fires his cards very aggressively deep into the mucked pile.
He continues to try and pull the pot in and is told to wait for a ruling. In the meantime he drags the (very big) pile of chips into his stack and purposefully knocks his remaining chips into them so as to make it impossible to know what the pot was.
The pot was 2 tables out from the FT and saved the guys tournament - and changed the dynamic of the table. What should the TD have given as a ruling?
I'd eject him from the tournament for behaving like that and give the other guy a penalty. |
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 08:00:03 PM » |
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If he was asked to wait for the TD and a ruling was called for, and I asked the dealer what happened. If the dealer explained it how you did I would disqualify him.
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kinboshi
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 08:06:06 PM » |
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Disqualify him and confiscate his bus pass.
Tikay really should know how to behave at the poker table by now.
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TommyD
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2011, 08:06:39 PM » |
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 the older guy. Split his chip stack between all the remaining runners in the tourney (including this big pot). Guy two gets a warning and has no claim to the pot just won as he has mucked as well, and first. |
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 08:08:33 PM » |
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I'd eject him from the tournament for behaving like that and give the other guy a penalty.
Guy two gets a warning and has no claim to the pot just won as he has mucked as well, and first.
who's this 2nd person? am I reading this wrong? |
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kinboshi
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2011, 08:11:29 PM » |
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I'd eject him from the tournament for behaving like that and give the other guy a penalty.
Guy two gets a warning and has no claim to the pot just won as he has mucked as well, and first.
who's this 2nd person? am I reading this wrong? The other player mucked his hand. Didn't know that was a hanging offence.  |
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2011, 08:16:54 PM » |
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If he was asked to wait for the TD and a ruling was called for, and I asked the dealer what happened. If the dealer explained it how you did I would disqualify him.
What would you do with his chips? Would they just be removed from the tournament? |
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2011, 08:27:39 PM » |
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I'd eject him from the tournament for behaving like that and give the other guy a penalty.
Guy two gets a warning and has no claim to the pot just won as he has mucked as well, and first.
who's this 2nd person? am I reading this wrong? The other player mucked his hand. Didn't know that was a hanging offence. Guy 2 is the button. Ok I might be assuming too much but by the looks of it both have had a 'you show first' stand off. If the river is dealt, dealer says show your cards and button straight mucks then fine, he hasn't done anything wrong (stupid, but not wrong). I read it as the dealer had to repeatedly press upon them both to show their cards and then the button mucks. If he's been ignoring the dealer for some ego stand off, give him a warning for ignoring the dealer. |
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2011, 08:47:15 PM » |
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Surely you can only win a pot by declaring your hand . Never have I witnessed a player taking a pot I'n with out showing cards on a showdown .  should have split chips with other player and given a severe warning . Sounds like dealer needed to be a bit stronger and stopped him from grabbing pot. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 09:50:09 PM » |
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Some local td's are weak as piss esp when it comes to tourney regs
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tikay
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 09:57:24 PM » |
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Some local td's are weak as piss esp when it comes to tourney regs
This was extremely apparent Pretty standard for Gala Bristol, imo. Arguably the UK's worst run & managed Licensed Venue, & has been for many years, imo. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 10:12:12 PM » |
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Queen of Diamonds him.
Not for the mucking. To be fair, you can't force him to show if he's the only one with cards left. But he can definitely be given a penalty for this if it's your rules he has to show.
But pulling the pot himself when told not to and mixing the chips up is a hanging offence imo.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 11:20:30 PM » |
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Some local td's are weak as piss esp when it comes to tourney regs
especially in galas |
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