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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052654/Great-British-Bake-Off-winner-Jo-Wheatleys-husband-Richard-prison.html?ito=feeds-newsxml (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052654/Great-British-Bake-Off-winner-Jo-Wheatleys-husband-Richard-prison.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)

NFI who he is  :dontask:

It's "The Bear", aka Richard Wheatley.

Note - the Daily Mail stole the photo from blondepedia/THM without our consent. Payyyyyy

http://blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=1562

yeah seen him before..played the big game on tv ?

He's a reg in the 5/10 at the Vic and has played a few of those tv 6-seater donkaments.

I remember one night me Jake, Pez and Keys all took 25% of Keys before a night out in London in the 5/10 at the Vic. The condition was that Keys had to open shove his 800quid stack all in every single hand until he was called. If he won he'd have to rack up immediately and leave. After the first 2 shoves had got through where Keys shows 105o and Q2o I remember Keys shipping the third consecutive hand and we were all railing behind Mr Wheatley and saw him fold KJhh last to act in the BB! I thought wow this guy is a nit - now that I know he was juggling around that kinda money he must be an uuuuber nit.

FYP...sigh oldies

Definitely punching above his weight with his missus.

Tikay - I would happily chip into a legal fund to sue the Daily Mail.  I would also chip into a fund to bomb their offices if you want to go a bit further.

You think there's a boxing division for people heavier than he already is?

lol I expect you'd be ok for funds to sue them :D

Not even a mention of thanks for the photo, that's poor form

Heard about this about a year ago, but  sworn to secrecy... yawn.

Apparently they found millions in his house, the old bill didn't believe his story of 'haing a good night in the 1/2 at the vic' ;)

Blame Tighty for spotting it. Think he must be a Daily Mail reader.

:D

Actually, it was reported in several newspapers today.

I took that photo. Should I be expecting a cheque?

Send an invoice for £500 for a laugh  :)

there was me thinking everyone in poker were saints

That bloke from The Magic Numbers has really let himself go.

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Convincing evidence that she makes exceedingly good cakes.

v good

I'm thinking 'Baked' would be a good title for the book of this story...

fyp

she will have to bake some special cakes for him, if he wants to 'file' for parole

Washing some hard earned cash

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x90taz_partypoker-poker-den-iii-ep-7-1-8-c_sport

He deserves some kind of punishment for stacking his chips like that in Snoopy's photo :)

If you read any photography forums, the Mail are the absolute worst paper for stealing photos. There are many many other examples if you google "daily mail unauthorised photo".

If blonde were paying you to update/take photos at the time, then they almost certainly own the rights, I'm afraid. So blonde willl get the money. Going rate is about £120 per photo, and you can get away with trebling that for unauthorised use. Send an invoice for £360, they'll tell you to naff off, and you then take them to small claims court. Where you'll win.

Please please do this ^^

The daily mail and daily telegraph have been invoiced

Thread just got epic if you have, could be a fun little sweat

Anyone know if the image was used in the print versions of the papers?

 :tikay: They come over here, stealing our snaps.

The problem is there are no rules for how much to charge for images other use or want to use. Normally its a made up figure. The BBC are right sods at using Leeds Uni stuff, especially the special collections ones. If no ones sees the image then they pay nothing! We have to make up a price to charge and get in touch, professionalism at its best. We had Man Utd come across for some of our Man Utd photos with Busby in hospital and I believe it was a nominal fee if they cited they were from our special collections.

Haha

The subtle I read the telegraph defence!

Nice work

Good read. In both senses.

As a 'financial negotiator' of 20 years+ experience, I would be happy to enforce any court order you may obtain  ;)

(Recovered £104k from another national newspaper group a month or two back)

Excuse me Snoopy, but I believe I took that photo!!!!!!

No! I am Spartacus.

I thought you were Sportacus...

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You're right! Here it is:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=29281.msg599930#msg599930

I'm sure Tighty will ship you the cheque as soon as it arrives. If it doesn't, then I'm confident tikay will compensate you from his own pocket. Joy!

Chili took this photo of Richard Wheatly simply because she admired his wonderful stack.

orly  :D

Just to update on this, as it could be a good sweat

The images appeared in five places (two photographs)

Mail On Sunday Print
Daily Mail Print
Mail Online
Daily Telegraph print
Telegraph Online

None sought permission

One of the images was on blondepoker only, the other on THM database and blondepoker so it could have been sourced from either

THM licences a number of our photos from updates (generally where they have gaps in their photo database that we can fill) for its superb results database

Together we are chasing the publications above for payment

Future Best of Blonde imo

Pretty sloppy journalism     ...   wtf has the hubbie got to do with her baking skillz?

His waistline would suggest the munchies coming out of her Aga would have Calenti weak at the knees.

Is your 'flat cleaner' as adept at the Bakewells, Vincenzo?

i got £500 outa the daily express for a photo one time  ;D

I'm a bit reticent about all this.

When I post pics on blonde, they either belong to me - I took them - or blonde, which is fine, or, & most frequently, I go to google Images & lift one from there. It never occurs to me to pay anyone for them.

The blondepedia photos - the ones used by the Mail & Telegraph - were presumably lifted from google images, rather than directly from blonde, or THM.

Are not photos on google Images - unless they specificaly say "you may not use without permission", or are "wartermarked" - free to all to use?

If I "lift" a photo from google Images that came from the Daily Telegraph, for example, what is the difference?

The Telegraph didn't rumble you?  :D

I know exactly what you´re saying but any money that can be squeezed out of Dacre is less money for him to spend on his war against everything that is decent in the world, so it must be worth a try.

All image on Google images have the disclaimer "Image may be subject to copyright".

They make significant money selling the paper and unless otherwise agreed must compensate for contributions towards publication.  

Big difference between that and some guy rambling in his online diary.

Definitely not.  Just because someone uses a photo/image in one place (a website, newspaper, etc.) doesn't mean it's royalty free for anyone to use.  The photographer or the person who commissioned the photo usually owns the license for that image's use.

Have a look at this image:

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/130024526/Chelsea-FC

that you might see on various news sites.  Those sites are using that image under license, and for you to use it, you need to adhere to the licensing terms.  Of course, an individual posting it on a poker forum isn't going to bother them too much, but if you're going to use it to try and sell newspapers it might attract their attention.  You could argue that blonde is using such images to attract visitors and then make money from the display advertising on the site.

Do a search on google for "john terry anton ferdinand video" and have a look at those videos on YouTube.  You can't, because they've been pulled due to copyright.

See how long that one stays up ;)

Obv not, just Google doesn't shout about that as it wouldn't help it's destroy copyright agenda :P

Yep ;)

But if it wasn't for the creator of blondepedia, they would never have got the picture unless they randomly trawled through every update. Even The Hendon Mob extracted our images from the database. Forget Chili and tikay; they have enough money. Let's chop this one up Tighty. Will take cash or cheque.

lol argument fail.  I took it, I ship it!  All you did was lift my image and place it into blondepedia.......

Hehehe only messing darling snoops, I couldn't give a toss about the money (I was working for blonde at the time anyway) but I give a toss about blonde getting some off the sloppy thieving papers.  Maybe towards future updates???

Not quite in 60 seconds but it has gone.

Daliy Mail have a habit of sometimes putting "Copyright: Internet" on their pilferred pics.

Looks like a cropped version of it being used on P13 of today's Sun.

thanks Mike

Yeah take that fleet street, watch out Tighty they may tap your phone.

Has blonde sent George Lucas an invoice too ........ ? :-)



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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053851/Greek-shipping-heir-centre-750million-fraud-ran-just-computers-broken-laptop.html

quick someone phone up the daily fail and say he was a poker player

http://blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=455

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2053661/Children-young-run-gambling-debts-games-MARBLES.html

I'm starting to think the Daily Mail is actually a very subtle version of the Onion, its like a brilliant joke we are all to dim to understand

FFS, did I really write that bio?

lol...wp your excellency

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9oT1ONHX4U

1:03 lol

There is a blonde story or two around that table........

Irish Denis...not seen or heard from him in aaaaaaaaaaaages!

"Kallikis is one of the great trappers of all time" Jessie May the Prophet

Bit of an understatement!!

Btw - what do you know of the guy who was always with Achilleas? I forget his name but I played with him only a few months before coming out here at the Big Slick club in Purley. So wanted to say something but couldn't be bothered. Is he caught up in all Kallakis's mess too? Involved in it? I can't remember the full details.

I believe you are referring to Mr Robert Cooper.

http://blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=377

Creation of an image is enough to make it copyright in most cases – for example a painter may create a painting and this then cannot be copied/reproduced without permission. The same can be said of a photo – just because it’s easier to create a picture of a poker player doesn’t make it any less copyright. Think about all those fantastic photos of nature that have taken hours/days of preparation to get just right Would it be ok to produce that on postcards and make money out of it if you had not taken the photo in the first place? No – which is why licensing exits – to allow that to happen.

So – on to online publishing. Slightly off topic but very interesting legal case with Norm Zada- owner of now defunct Perfect 10 – very very clever guy – we have facebooked because of our model connections – and he is a very clever geek (I love clever men)  his Dad created fuzzy logic and his family are just clever x 10.

Norm created Perfect 10 glamour magazine and then tried to sue Google for using thumbnail images of his magazines photos to link to various sites. In fact it was the sites that had the pictures on their sites that were infringing on the copyright – not Google. It was ruled that as they were providing them in such a way (thumbnail) it was not of good enough quality to stop the public buying into third party sites to see the images in better quality. So there was no loss of revenue for Perfect 10. It was ruled as being 'Fair Use'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Using images from Blonde? Well the copyright has been ascertained purely by the taking of the photo however Blonde is not a subscription site and is easily accessed by any member of the public. Does this change things? Not really imo – if I had a website and had created a picture of me and one of my clients and put it on there can it be used on the Daily Mail? Not without my permission despite the public nature of the subject. Just by me putting it up there I have asserted my right over the image I created.

If the image was on Facebook it’s different matter as you are giving permission for other facebook users to share your image just by putting it up there.

It’s interesting.

Very easy for the DM to approach Blonde and ask for permission so no excuses there. Their defence will be they saw it elsewhere and lifted it from there – and that it was very difficult to ascertain from the primary source they lifted it from who the owner was. No excuse but if they took reasonable steps to find out they may have a reasonable excuse and just promise not to use it from now on.

I think you have a good case for financial payment – more if you can confirm that the images were also used in the print version of the paper as there is provable profit from the sales of the printed paper. Depending on how DM on line make money – assuming its from clicks and ad’s - then the widespread distribution of your images online to a much wider audience here and abroad (copy the comments at the bottom of the article for evidence of this) should result in a bigger payment imo. I think you have a very strong case.

It's just cheaper/easier for the newspapers to lift the images from the internet and write a cheque later if the copyright owner notices, rather than ask everyone first.

With so many Blondes having had their day in court and most likely more will in the future, how about setting up a new type of thread where they can answer questions about their experience. It could be called 'In the dock with...'

Well unless my understanding of copyright law is wrong (and there is always a chance) then yes - it's worked so far......if they ring and ask and Blonde says yes then no fee is payable - remember the case of Marcus and the US coverage - they rang Tighty and asked and he said yes. Hence no fee.

I was using an image from google - no idea where it origianlly came from - on my website and eventually someone wrote to em and showed me the original source - the image was licensed and I removed it immediately - they tried to charge me over £1k for use so far - despite the fact i could have bought it for £250 - their reasoning being it was a sort of unofficial fine or they would take me to court.

I argued that there was no real commercial benefit to me from using the image as it didn't sell any product as such just was being used as 'website decoration' - it was a picure of people jumping up and down - and in the end they left me alone.

They use tineye and other such software to track down useage of images, so no one can escape, even little sites like mine.

:D

Quite ironic he should pop up again on a thread regards royalties.....................assume it's the same guy?

Geo

http://blondepoker.com/?q=node/2099

 ;gobsmacked;  Do you lot actually REMEMBER these blasts from the past or just have really good search skillz?!

Google Robert cooper blondepoker, and its the 4th story

Yikes, good spot Geo. I don't remember writing all that blather. I still write it, mind, under the guise of my "Diary" though. Some memories tickled by reading that piece, but after I got in trouble yesterday, perhaps I better resist telling all these tales from the past. 

results? did blonde get weighed in?

this is gonna take months surely?

Could take some time. Will disclose when each case has been resolved

http://www.jeremynicholl.com/blog/2010/12/13/uk-daily-mail-faces-million-dollar-us-copyright-suit-from-mavrix-photo/