Title: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: rfgqqabc on November 28, 2011, 11:42:51 AM Presume this scenario. Table consists mainly of live fish, both far too loose pre and very faceup post flop. The fish have varying stack sizes between 50-150 bigs. There are two other good player at the table, one who understands 3betting to a good degree and is excellent postflop, by far the best player in the game and has everyone covered. The other is a few years behind the time, doesn't 3bet wide enough but is good post flop. H3b is in MP and HPost is in the cutoff. A very weak player limps UTG, playing 75-85bigs. Hero is UTG +1 and has
a) Ac 5c b) Kh Ts c) Kh Th d) Ac 9c e) 9d 9c f) Kd Qs g) Ahrt 8s h) Ahrt Tc WWYD with all? I'll post a few of these over the next few pages. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: AlexMartin on November 28, 2011, 12:01:40 PM folding KTo and A8o, raising with everything else to 5bb.
If anyone good 3bets they are gonna get the axs in their eye and folding the rest. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: pleno1 on November 28, 2011, 12:34:59 PM raise all but a8o, k10o is close but i go for it as our range utg+1 should be seen as tighter than mp/co etc
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: doubleup on November 28, 2011, 01:03:39 PM if you two raise that pile of sh1te with 8 people to act after you, life is going to be fcking miserable. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: pleno1 on November 28, 2011, 01:20:29 PM if you two raise that pile of sh1te with 8 people to act after you, life is going to be fcking miserable. which shite? Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: doubleup on November 28, 2011, 01:26:40 PM if you two raise that pile of sh1te with 8 people to act after you, life is going to be fcking miserable. which shite? every hand in op Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: rfgqqabc on November 28, 2011, 01:28:37 PM if you two raise that pile of sh1te with 8 people to act after you, life is going to be fcking miserable. which shite? every hand in op Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: doubleup on November 28, 2011, 01:35:16 PM if you two raise that pile of sh1te with 8 people to act after you, life is going to be fcking miserable. which shite? every hand in op I dont think you are going to get heads up very often, nobody acting after you is folding a top 10% hand 8 x 10 is a lot of percentages. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: Patonius2000 on November 28, 2011, 01:52:44 PM Fold b g & h. Iso e & f. Iso/limp a/c/d
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: pleno1 on November 28, 2011, 02:06:47 PM think if we limp its going to get 4/5/6/7 handed and we're in a weird position and relying on flopping huuuuuuuuuuge. Much prefer to raise, keep the inititive and play hopefully heads up. Would raise 5x here too.
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: mulhuzz on November 28, 2011, 02:28:42 PM think if we limp its going to get 4/5/6/7 handed and we're in a weird position and relying on flopping huuuuuuuuuuge. Much prefer to raise, keep the inititive and play hopefully heads up. Would raise 5x here too. this. and I'm very happy 4betting 99 and KQ as well as the better Ax vs someone good. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: pleno1 on November 28, 2011, 02:40:18 PM i def fold the kq to a 4bet and most likely the 9's too.
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: cambridgealex on November 28, 2011, 02:41:37 PM Alex Martins post is what I was thinking. A8o and KTo being folded here, raising all the rest to £10. Perhaps 4betting some of the blocker hands like KQ and Axs as said before.
Whoever calls these hands "trash" is an offence to the game and is way too nitty to be a good cash game player. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: mulhuzz on November 28, 2011, 02:50:54 PM i def fold the kq to a 4bet and most likely the 9's too. we'd be 4betting...assuming someone good 3bet... Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: Rupert on November 28, 2011, 03:21:39 PM Presume this scenario. Table consists mainly of live fish, both far too loose pre and very faceup post flop. The fish have varying stack sizes between 50-150 bigs. There are two other good player at the table, one who understands 3betting to a good degree and is excellent postflop, by far the best player in the game and has everyone covered. The other is a few years behind the time, doesn't 3bet wide enough but is good post flop. H3b is in MP and HPost is in the cutoff. A very weak player limps UTG, playing 75-85bigs. Hero is UTG +1 and has a) Ac 5c raise b) Kh Ts fold c) Kh Th raise d) Ac 9c raise e) 9d 9c raise f) Kd Qs raise g) Ahrt 8s fold h) Ahrt Tc fold WWYD with all? I'll post a few of these over the next few pages. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: rfgqqabc on November 28, 2011, 03:30:57 PM Presume this scenario. Table consists mainly of live fish, both far too loose pre and very faceup post flop. The fish have varying stack sizes between 50-150 bigs. There are two other good player at the table, one who understands 3betting to a good degree and is excellent postflop, by far the best player in the game and has everyone covered. The other is a few years behind the time, doesn't 3bet wide enough but is good post flop. H3b is in MP and HPost is in the cutoff. A very weak player limps UTG, playing 75-85bigs. Hero is UTG +1 and has a) Ac 5c b) Kh Ts c) Kh Th d) Ac 9c Maybe limp maybe raise e) 9d 9c maybe limp, maybe raise f) Kd Qs g) Ahrt 8s h) Ahrt Tc WWYD with all? I'll post a few of these over the next few pages. How much does your range change if we are in HJ, limper is before us, everyone else folded, with H3b on the button. Hero and H3b are 150bb deep? I think i'd raise/fold bolded in first scenario. Not sure about the second one. I;m asking this just to get a general idea of how others play, obviously some of this is very stylistic, including 4b range and iso range. I think limping behind Axs/99 is ok here, some nights where i play i can 8x UTG and get the whole table calling. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: giveyourcash on November 28, 2011, 03:45:32 PM Presume this scenario. Table consists mainly of live fish, both far too loose pre and very faceup post flop. The fish have varying stack sizes between 50-150 bigs. There are two other good player at the table, one who understands 3betting to a good degree and is excellent postflop, by far the best player in the game and has everyone covered. The other is a few years behind the time, doesn't 3bet wide enough but is good post flop. H3b is in MP and HPost is in the cutoff. A very weak player limps UTG, playing 75-85bigs. Hero is UTG +1 and has a) Ac 5c Limp b) Kh Ts Fold c) Kh Th Limp d) Ac 9c 1/2 limp 1/2 raise e) 9d 9c raise f) Kd Qs raise g) Ahrt 8s 1/2 limp 1/2 fold h) Ahrt Tc 1/2 limp 1/2 raise WWYD with all? I'll post a few of these over the next few pages. Hugely exploitable strategy but you're first thought should be to take advantage of the fish and that involves getting into a lot of pots cheap and crushing them post. Hopefully the other regs will realise that chopping up the fish is easier, lower variance and generally more profitable than attacking your exploitable plays. If he comes after you obviously you have to revert to a more balanced strategy. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: muckthenuts on November 28, 2011, 04:32:17 PM Limp the Ac C5, fold Kh Ts and A8, raise the rest
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: cambridgealex on November 28, 2011, 04:34:38 PM Limp the Ac C5, fold Kh Ts and A8, raise the rest agreed the A5cc is the closest to being a limp. ATo also could be a fold, but I'd always raise it. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: Rupert on November 28, 2011, 10:59:06 PM Quote agreed the A5cc is the closest to being a limp. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: SuuPRlim on November 29, 2011, 01:00:19 AM I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else.
I think you could limp Ac 5c / Ac 9c / 9c 9d and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also DEFO don't limp Kh Th Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: doubleup on November 29, 2011, 01:33:50 PM I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else. I think you could limp Ac 5c / Ac 9c / 9c 9d and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also DEFO don't limp Kh Th ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: Keylek on November 30, 2011, 06:35:42 AM Really good thread imo
I agree with the first reply and what everyone else says (Just skimmed it but everyone seemed to agree with everyone) oh and fk u nits! EDIT: OP how deep are you in this scenario? Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: rfgqqabc on November 30, 2011, 01:42:52 PM One fish had 1k so i'd bought in for about 500- covered by H3b and the fish. I'm not sure whether to post another one of these, general consensus pretty much followed my own views
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: cambridgealex on November 30, 2011, 02:49:27 PM Sounds like you don't need us then.
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: pleno1 on November 30, 2011, 03:38:15 PM I'm not sure whether to post another one of these, general consensus pretty much followed my own views rofl Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: rfgqqabc on November 30, 2011, 04:48:51 PM Sounds like you don't need us then. Siiiiigh, no need sir, no need. Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: Keylek on December 01, 2011, 11:59:32 AM But you can help all the other newbies in the forum!
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: AlexMartin on December 01, 2011, 01:39:37 PM I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else. I think you could limp Ac 5c / Ac 9c / 9c 9d and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also DEFO don't limp Kh Th ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt i assume ur drunk? Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: Keylek on December 01, 2011, 02:17:36 PM I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else. I think you could limp Ac 5c / Ac 9c / 9c 9d and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also DEFO don't limp Kh Th ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt i assume ur drunk? I dunno i think Suuprlim is pretty spot on here in reality for a 1/2 live game with these stacks, As he says like he'd probably raise them but a limp is probably better in this game where everyones fktarded, prob is to be fair. funnily enough I'd be limping the nines here more than the other two. for KTs I think if you limp it you have to be limp folding it alot with these stack sizes (or getting urself super reverse implied odds owned) so maybe raise>fold>call Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: cambridgealex on December 01, 2011, 04:25:07 PM he means he assumed doubleup is drunk, who's been spouting nonsense itt from the start.
Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: SuuPRlim on December 01, 2011, 06:08:23 PM I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else. I think you could limp Ac 5c / Ac 9c / 9c 9d and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also DEFO don't limp Kh Th ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt i assume ur drunk? I dunno i think Suuprlim is pretty spot on here in reality for a 1/2 live game with these stacks, As he says like he'd probably raise them but a limp is probably better in this game where everyones fktarded, prob is to be fair. funnily enough I'd be limping the nines here more than the other two. for KTs I think if you limp it you have to be limp folding it alot with these stack sizes (or getting urself super reverse implied odds owned) so maybe raise>fold>call Yeah - ALEX MARTIN you saying you have to be drunk to agree with me!?! I best be seeing you out for jakes prk party tonight where we can have this argument out like proper men :) Title: Re: Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed Post by: smashedagain on December 01, 2011, 07:09:08 PM Suupr suupr Dave,
Suupr suupr Dave, Suupr suupr Dave, Super lil David :) |