Theory Post: Live 1/2 Ten Handed

[rfgqqabc]

Presume this scenario. Table consists mainly of live fish, both far too loose pre and very faceup post flop. The fish have varying stack sizes between 50-150 bigs. There are two other good player at the table, one who understands 3betting to a good degree and is excellent postflop, by far the best player in the game and has everyone covered. The other is a few years behind the time, doesn't 3bet wide enough but is good post flop. H3b is in MP and HPost is in the cutoff. A very weak player limps UTG, playing 75-85bigs. Hero is UTG +1 and has

a) 
b) 
c) 
d)  Maybe limp maybe raise
e)  maybe limp, maybe raise
f) 
g)
h)

WWYD with all? I'll post a few of these over the next few pages.

How much does your range change if we are in HJ, limper is before us, everyone else folded, with H3b on the button. Hero and H3b are 150bb deep?

I think i'd raise/fold bolded in first scenario. Not sure about the second one. I;m asking this just to get a general idea of how others play, obviously some of this is very stylistic, including 4b range and iso range. I think limping behind Axs/99 is ok here, some nights where i play i can 8x UTG and get the whole table calling.

[giveyourcash]

Presume this scenario. Table consists mainly of live fish, both far too loose pre and very faceup post flop. The fish have varying stack sizes between 50-150 bigs. There are two other good player at the table, one who understands 3betting to a good degree and is excellent postflop, by far the best player in the game and has everyone covered. The other is a few years behind the time, doesn't 3bet wide enough but is good post flop. H3b is in MP and HPost is in the cutoff. A very weak player limps UTG, playing 75-85bigs. Hero is UTG +1 and has

a)   Limp
b)    Fold
c)   Limp
d)   1/2 limp 1/2 raise
e)   raise
f)   raise
g) 1/2 limp 1/2 fold
h) 1/2 limp 1/2 raise

WWYD with all? I'll post a few of these over the next few pages.

Hugely exploitable strategy but you're first thought should be to take advantage of the fish and that involves getting into a lot of pots cheap and crushing them post. Hopefully the other regs will realise that chopping up the fish is easier, lower variance and generally more profitable than attacking your exploitable plays. If he comes after you obviously you have to revert to a more balanced strategy.

[muckthenuts]

Limp the   , fold   and A8, raise the rest

[cambridgealex]

Limp the   , fold   and A8, raise the rest

agreed the A5cc is the closest to being a limp. ATo also could be a fold, but I'd always raise it.

[Rupert]

agreed the A5cc is the closest to being a limp.

[SuuPRlim]

I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else.

I think you could limp / / and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also

DEFO don't limp

[doubleup]

I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else.

I think you could limp / / and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also

DEFO don't limp

ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt

[Keylek]

Really good thread imo

I agree with the first reply and what everyone else says (Just skimmed it but everyone seemed to agree with everyone)

oh and fk u nits!

EDIT: OP how deep are you in this scenario?

[rfgqqabc]

One fish had 1k so i'd bought in for about 500- covered by H3b and the fish. I'm not sure whether to post another one of these, general consensus pretty much followed my own views

[cambridgealex]

Sounds like you don't need us then.

[pleno1]

I'm not sure whether to post another one of these, general consensus pretty much followed my own views

rofl

[rfgqqabc]

Sounds like you don't need us then.

Siiiiigh, no need sir, no need.

[Keylek]

But you can help all the other newbies in the forum!

[AlexMartin]

I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else.

I think you could limp / / and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also

DEFO don't limp

ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt

i assume ur drunk?

[Keylek]

I would fold the KTo and the A8o as everyone has said, I also think we SHOULD fold ATo 10handed as well, not saying I always would but I thnk folding that hand is >> anything else.

I think you could limp / / and that would all be fine and perhaps even optimal, but I think it would be fine to raise all three of those also

DEFO don't limp

ahhh reason eventually surfaces itt

i assume ur drunk?

I dunno i think Suuprlim is pretty spot on here in reality for a 1/2 live game with these stacks,

As he says like he'd probably raise them but a limp is probably better in this game where everyones fktarded, prob is to be fair. funnily enough I'd be limping the nines here more than the other two.

for KTs I think if you limp it you have to be limp folding it alot with these stack sizes (or getting urself super reverse implied odds owned) so maybe raise>fold>call