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Title: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 01:16:26 AM GAY ipoker HH so here is the hand
hero 299k villain 600k tourney is 6max and is 3500/7k villain is unknown folds to me in the CO open Kc Qc to 14k Villain 3bet to 31k hero calls 17k flop Q26 1club hero checks villain bets 27k hero calls 27k turn Q26Ax hero checks villain bets 51k hero calls 51k river Q26AK hero checks villain shoves hero? at this point he shoves pot size jam effectively Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 01:19:55 AM we have no time bank and basically 20 seconds to decide
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 01:23:53 AM fwiw i hate peeling 3bets oop but i thought it was best in this spot
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 01:34:48 AM does my hand look too much like Qx to fold tho?
i mean how many Aces can we ever have? i could easily have QK though and I doubt he thinks i fold that, tricky Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: Rupert on November 29, 2011, 01:55:49 AM ya ur pretty capped and theres blockers everywhere to QQ+/AQ+ so id call, stars aligned a bit too much to fold i think. what do you think of raising the flop? i think when you call you're generally pretty showdown bound but when we c/r we can perhaps induce a spazz and be more likely to stack qx etc
i think u played preflop the best Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 01:59:47 AM i would usually cib on flop in this spot for sure, but one relavent hand of history, i peeled an open with Qk otb he calls the sb and bb calls 4 handed to J23 flop checks to me otb i bet villain clicks/ and we jam he folds. I doubt he would spazz out on this hand after
that recent history. Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: 810ofclubs on November 29, 2011, 02:19:15 AM villian is otb yh?
i think folding pre is absurd. play the same post, don't think folding river is really possible, esp giving its 1) iPoker and 2) its 2000 runner max comp, ppl go off there lids! any previous history w villain? his sizing is strong which annoys me Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: 810ofclubs on November 29, 2011, 02:21:02 AM i would usually cib on flop in this spot for sure, but one relavent hand of history, i peeled an open with Qk otb he calls the sb and bb calls 4 handed to J23 flop checks to me otb i bet villain clicks/ and we jam he folds. I doubt he would spazz out on this hand after that recent history. FPS is another good reason not to fold river here Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 02:29:11 AM yh villion is OTB
we didnt know this at the time but villain is Brendoor Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: railtard1 on November 29, 2011, 03:05:18 AM yh villion is OTB we didnt know this at the time but villain is Brendoor This changes dynamic of situation. Does he know its you? Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 03:10:13 AM no he does not
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: railtard1 on November 29, 2011, 03:16:30 AM hmm, agree with toby, his sizing is strong. But the fact its brendoor makes it more of a fold than a call (IMO). Especially if he see's u as a random "i poker fish" thats just gona call call call.
FWIW, i think this is a good hand to post and im sure all good mtt players will have different opinions on it Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: Moorman1 on November 29, 2011, 04:31:37 AM I would very very rarely fold pre here with these stack sizes and positions the guy would have to be tighter than RDCRSN and Young Supremacy ghosting Craig McCorkell. You dominate the vast majority of his 3 betting range so when you flop top pair its basically the nuts and can induce in a varitey of ways depending on the texture of the board. Being suited is key here (I would likely fold kq offsuit to some villains a lot) as you can flop loads of draws that you can semi bluff with eg. by check calling the flop and then check shoving over a 2nd barrel with these stack sizes. You can even check call float the flop oop and jam over turn barrels when you turn equity as he is going to 3 barrel your cards when you turn top pair. An example of this would be a t42 rainbow board with 1 club. On this board u can check call the flop and then check jam any 9, any jacl and any club and check call down on any queen or king (please call every river though) .Rupert nailed it with the blockers line, it really lowers the number of combinations of value hands the villain can have. KQ here is essentially JJ (even though you will probably never flat JJ pre here) but I might fold the JJ on the river but have to calll the kq because of the blockers to his possible combination of value hands factor.
Saying all that I don't think the river is too close really because lets assume your average online reg deep in a big 6 max comp is going to be decently aggressive and especially in these positions (cutoff to button). Therefor they are going to have so much air in their range preflop. He keeps all that air in his range by c betting q62 rainbow close to 100% of the time, he ALWAYS barrels the ace unless he has something (lol) so he gets to the river with close to 100% of his air still. A king rolls off on the river and he has a good stack to pot jam left..... there is no way that kq can be a fold agaisnt this range even though it 100% is just a bluff catcher against any1 with a brain. There are just 2 many bluffs to catch and you block too many combos of his value hands. After you find out that villain is Brendoor you should probably go and kill yourself as he is less likely to have a hand here than the UK's latest online sensation Chris Brammer. Don't worry Trigg I still love you and I really hope you ship this 10r Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: action man on November 29, 2011, 04:34:21 AM i didnt fold i timed out mug
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: railtard1 on November 29, 2011, 04:57:07 AM I would very very rarely fold pre here with these stack sizes and positions the guy would have to be tighter than RDCRSN and Young Supremacy ghosting Craig McCorkell. You dominate the vast majority of his 3 betting range so when you flop top pair its basically the nuts and can induce in a varitey of ways depending on the texture of the board. Being suited is key here (I would likely fold kq offsuit to some villains a lot) as you can flop loads of draws that you can semi bluff with eg. by check calling the flop and then check shoving over a 2nd barrel with these stack sizes. You can even check call float the flop oop and jam over turn barrels when you turn equity as he is going to 3 barrel your cards when you turn top pair. An example of this would be a t42 rainbow board with 1 club. On this board u can check call the flop and then check jam any 9, any jacl and any club and check call down on any queen or king (please call every river though) .Rupert nailed it with the blockers line, it really lowers the number of combinations of value hands the villain can have. KQ here is essentially JJ (even though you will probably never flat JJ pre here) but I might fold the JJ on the river but have to calll the kq because of the blockers to his possible combination of value hands factor. Saying all that I don't think the river is too close really because lets assume your average online reg deep in a big 6 max comp is going to be decently aggressive and especially in these positions (cutoff to button). Therefor they are going to have so much air in their range preflop. He keeps all that air in his range by c betting q62 rainbow close to 100% of the time, he ALWAYS barrels the ace unless he has something (lol) so he gets to the river with close to 100% of his air still. A king rolls off on the river and he has a good stack to pot jam left..... there is no way that kq can be a fold agaisnt this range even though it 100% is just a bluff catcher against any1 with a brain. There are just 2 many bluffs to catch and you block too many combos of his value hands. After you find out that villain is Brendoor you should probably go and kill yourself as he is less likely to have a hand here than the UK's latest online sensation Chris Brammer. Don't worry Trigg I still love you and I really hope you ship this 10r brilliant! need brendoor to reveal all Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: NigDawG on November 29, 2011, 06:01:14 AM I would very very rarely fold pre here with these stack sizes and positions the guy would have to be tighter than RDCRSN and Young Supremacy ghosting Craig McCorkell. You dominate the vast majority of his 3 betting range so when you flop top pair its basically the nuts and can induce in a varitey of ways depending on the texture of the board. Being suited is key here (I would likely fold kq offsuit to some villains a lot) as you can flop loads of draws that you can semi bluff with eg. by check calling the flop and then check shoving over a 2nd barrel with these stack sizes. You can even check call float the flop oop and jam over turn barrels when you turn equity as he is going to 3 barrel your cards when you turn top pair. An example of this would be a t42 rainbow board with 1 club. On this board u can check call the flop and then check jam any 9, any jacl and any club and check call down on any queen or king (please call every river though) .Rupert nailed it with the blockers line, it really lowers the number of combinations of value hands the villain can have. KQ here is essentially JJ (even though you will probably never flat JJ pre here) but I might fold the JJ on the river but have to calll the kq because of the blockers to his possible combination of value hands factor. Saying all that I don't think the river is too close really because lets assume your average online reg deep in a big 6 max comp is going to be decently aggressive and especially in these positions (cutoff to button). Therefor they are going to have so much air in their range preflop. He keeps all that air in his range by c betting q62 rainbow close to 100% of the time, he ALWAYS barrels the ace unless he has something (lol) so he gets to the river with close to 100% of his air still. A king rolls off on the river and he has a good stack to pot jam left..... there is no way that kq can be a fold agaisnt this range even though it 100% is just a bluff catcher against any1 with a brain. There are just 2 many bluffs to catch and you block too many combos of his value hands. After you find out that villain is Brendoor you should probably go and kill yourself as he is less likely to have a hand here than the UK's latest online sensation Chris Brammer. Don't worry Trigg I still love you and I really hope you ship this 10r the best piece of pha i've seen in a long time Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: cambridgealex on November 29, 2011, 06:49:52 AM I would very very rarely fold pre here with these stack sizes and positions the guy would have to be tighter than RDCRSN and Young Supremacy ghosting Craig McCorkell. You dominate the vast majority of his 3 betting range so when you flop top pair its basically the nuts and can induce in a varitey of ways depending on the texture of the board. Being suited is key here (I would likely fold kq offsuit to some villains a lot) as you can flop loads of draws that you can semi bluff with eg. by check calling the flop and then check shoving over a 2nd barrel with these stack sizes. You can even check call float the flop oop and jam over turn barrels when you turn equity as he is going to 3 barrel your cards when you turn top pair. An example of this would be a t42 rainbow board with 1 club. On this board u can check call the flop and then check jam any 9, any jacl and any club and check call down on any queen or king (please call every river though) .Rupert nailed it with the blockers line, it really lowers the number of combinations of value hands the villain can have. KQ here is essentially JJ (even though you will probably never flat JJ pre here) but I might fold the JJ on the river but have to calll the kq because of the blockers to his possible combination of value hands factor. Saying all that I don't think the river is too close really because lets assume your average online reg deep in a big 6 max comp is going to be decently aggressive and especially in these positions (cutoff to button). Therefor they are going to have so much air in their range preflop. He keeps all that air in his range by c betting q62 rainbow close to 100% of the time, he ALWAYS barrels the ace unless he has something (lol) so he gets to the river with close to 100% of his air still. A king rolls off on the river and he has a good stack to pot jam left..... there is no way that kq can be a fold agaisnt this range even though it 100% is just a bluff catcher against any1 with a brain. There are just 2 many bluffs to catch and you block too many combos of his value hands. After you find out that villain is Brendoor you should probably go and kill yourself as he is less likely to have a hand here than the UK's latest online sensation Chris Brammer. Don't worry Trigg I still love you and I really hope you ship this 10r the best piece of pha i've seen in a long time Agreed, thanks Chris post moaaarrrrr! Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: George2Loose on November 29, 2011, 08:11:20 AM So many heroes itt
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: paulhouk03 on November 29, 2011, 08:29:55 AM Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: smashedagain on November 29, 2011, 01:00:26 PM i didnt fold i timed out mug <3 trigger back chatting the boss. Chris helps a trigger out and that's the thanks he gets. You will never be a house trigger :)Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: Dubai on November 29, 2011, 04:23:58 PM I c,r,c flop and KQ isnt JJ here, thats just wrong
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: pleno1 on November 29, 2011, 04:36:45 PM whats bottom of villains value range otr in everyones opinion?
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: Dubai on November 29, 2011, 04:39:23 PM No-one will agree but i bet all 3 streets with AJ/AT
Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: mulhuzz on November 29, 2011, 04:56:27 PM whats bottom of villains value range otr in everyones opinion? AJ, AT, KQ, KJ imo. Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: Rupert on November 29, 2011, 05:18:57 PM No-one will agree but i bet all 3 streets with AJ/AT i think thats reasonable albeit thin if you decide to 3 bet them Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: SuuPRlim on November 29, 2011, 07:59:22 PM I would very very rarely fold pre here with these stack sizes and positions the guy would have to be tighter than RDCRSN and Young Supremacy ghosting Craig McCorkell. You dominate the vast majority of his 3 betting range so when you flop top pair its basically the nuts and can induce in a varitey of ways depending on the texture of the board. Being suited is key here (I would likely fold kq offsuit to some villains a lot) as you can flop loads of draws that you can semi bluff with eg. by check calling the flop and then check shoving over a 2nd barrel with these stack sizes. You can even check call float the flop oop and jam over turn barrels when you turn equity as he is going to 3 barrel your cards when you turn top pair. An example of this would be a t42 rainbow board with 1 club. On this board u can check call the flop and then check jam any 9, any jacl and any club and check call down on any queen or king (please call every river though) .Rupert nailed it with the blockers line, it really lowers the number of combinations of value hands the villain can have. KQ here is essentially JJ (even though you will probably never flat JJ pre here) but I might fold the JJ on the river but have to calll the kq because of the blockers to his possible combination of value hands factor. Saying all that I don't think the river is too close really because lets assume your average online reg deep in a big 6 max comp is going to be decently aggressive and especially in these positions (cutoff to button). Therefor they are going to have so much air in their range preflop. He keeps all that air in his range by c betting q62 rainbow close to 100% of the time, he ALWAYS barrels the ace unless he has something (lol) so he gets to the river with close to 100% of his air still. A king rolls off on the river and he has a good stack to pot jam left..... there is no way that kq can be a fold agaisnt this range even though it 100% is just a bluff catcher against any1 with a brain. There are just 2 many bluffs to catch and you block too many combos of his value hands. After you find out that villain is Brendoor you should probably go and kill yourself as he is less likely to have a hand here than the UK's latest online sensation Chris Brammer. Don't worry Trigg I still love you and I really hope you ship this 10r cmon Herbie demand this kids hendon mob or tell him to gtfo Title: Re: IPOPS Post by: smashedagain on November 29, 2011, 09:42:34 PM Yeah but reckon he learnt most of it from his dad ;)
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