Title: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: tikay on November 30, 2011, 01:14:21 PM ....here's her piece from today's Guardian. Oh, to have 100th of her writing talent. One of the experiments from the International Federation of Poker is "duplicate". It works on the same principle as duplicate bridge: the deck is pre-set to provide identical hands at different tables. Each player is awarded points against other players with the same cards, in the hope of measuring "the skill of the play" rather than "the luck of the deal". Of course, this still has its flaws. Your opponent might shove with an underpair and a rival opponent's might not; doesn't mean you've played better. If he hits a set, you've still got unlucky; if he doesn't, you've still got lucky. Similar problem with duplicate bridge: if a queen is oddly placed, a dodgy finesse will triumph over better play. There is no flawless way to find "the best poker player in the world". Biggest money winner? His losses aren't recorded. Most final-table appearances? He played more tournaments than others. Toughest event? Luck is always a factor in any single game. Series of tournaments? Too restricted to those who can be in the right country at the right time for the right period. Play it online? That's a different discipline. I rather like the impossibility of naming anyone "best". The ensuing, unceasing argument is so human. Personally, I try to duck out of that arm-wrestle for sanity's sake. We're all competitive, but I aim quietly for two things: first, to survive the game; second, to make a profit. Everything else is icing sugar. I remember the wise words of Richard Jessup: "For every number one man there is a number two man, and because of this a man cannot retreat from life. The difference is that the number one man is a machine and the Cincinnati Kid is not, and was not, and never will be a machine." Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: tikay on November 30, 2011, 01:17:57 PM I especially liked this - some of us remain in touch with the real world......
".....I rather like the impossibility of naming anyone "best". The ensuing, unceasing argument is so human. Personally, I try to duck out of that arm-wrestle for sanity's sake. We're all competitive, but I aim quietly for two things: first, to survive the game; second, to make a profit. Everything else is icing sugar....." As Smokey Robinson may have said - I second that emotion. Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: cambridgealex on November 30, 2011, 01:20:45 PM Nice piece
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: david3103 on November 30, 2011, 01:21:16 PM I especially liked this - some of us remain in touch with the real world...... ".....I rather like the impossibility of naming anyone "best". The ensuing, unceasing argument is so human. Personally, I try to duck out of that arm-wrestle for sanity's sake. We're all competitive, but I aim quietly for two things: first, to survive the game; second, to make a profit. Everything else is icing sugar....." As Smokey Robinson may have said - I second that emotion. +1 No doubt you've read it, but for anyone who hasn't - For Richer, For Poorer is a must-read Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: Ricardov83 on November 30, 2011, 01:49:19 PM Nice piece Settle! I got into bother for that sort of thing... Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: mulhuzz on November 30, 2011, 01:53:03 PM I especially liked this - some of us remain in touch with the real world...... ".....I rather like the impossibility of naming anyone "best". The ensuing, unceasing argument is so human. Personally, I try to duck out of that arm-wrestle for sanity's sake. We're all competitive, but I aim quietly for two things: first, to survive the game; second, to make a profit. Everything else is icing sugar....." As Smokey Robinson may have said - I second that emotion. +1 No doubt you've read it, but for anyone who hasn't - For Richer, For Poorer is a must-read +1 Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: TommyD on November 30, 2011, 02:02:25 PM I especially liked this - some of us remain in touch with the real world...... ".....I rather like the impossibility of naming anyone "best". The ensuing, unceasing argument is so human. Personally, I try to duck out of that arm-wrestle for sanity's sake. We're all competitive, but I aim quietly for two things: first, to survive the game; second, to make a profit. Everything else is icing sugar....." As Smokey Robinson may have said - I second that emotion. +1 No doubt you've read it, but for anyone who hasn't - For Richer, For Poorer is a must-read So true. Reading that book I cried twice, laughed numerous times and it had me thinking all of the way through. Probably the best non-strategy poker related book ever written and one of the most interesting autobiographies I have ever read. Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: Victoria Coren on December 01, 2011, 01:57:59 AM Hurray for you, Tommy (and David and Tikay). They're ripping apart my commentary failings on the other thread; this has cheered me up a lot! As I'm sure you'll know, having read it, that is an intensely personal book for me and I put my heart and soul into it; it means an awful lot to me when people say it meant something to them. Seriously, thanks very much.
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: RED-DOG on December 01, 2011, 02:00:59 AM and treat those two imposters just the same.....
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: George2Loose on December 01, 2011, 02:02:34 AM Thought you were trying to get vicky to take your quiz Red Dog
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: RED-DOG on December 01, 2011, 02:05:04 AM Thought you were trying to get vicky to take your quiz Red Dog Well I take hers.... Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: mulhuzz on December 01, 2011, 02:11:28 AM Thought you were trying to get vicky to take your quiz Red Dog Well I take hers.... can't remember the last time I managed to get a wall perfect on only connect. so tilting. :D Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: BrumBilly on December 01, 2011, 02:26:57 AM Not read a poker related book in ages so will get myself a copy....Those only connect walls are so addictive....great fun even if I do hear Coren saying 'No that's not a group!' with all too frustrating frequency! Easily the best quiz show host since William G. Stewart!
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: jakally on December 01, 2011, 04:28:22 AM Watched the Frank Skinner show last week - ('Opinionated', Thurs 10pm BBC). Vicky Coren was a guest, and came across as very sharp, and quite funny. (Mr Skinner is also very good, but as a kind of Skinner-fan I am a bit biased). Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: nirvana on December 01, 2011, 07:01:03 AM Hurray for you, Tommy (and David and Tikay). They're ripping apart my commentary failings on the other thread; this has cheered me up a lot! As I'm sure you'll know, having read it, that is an intensely personal book for me and I put my heart and soul into it; it means an awful lot to me when people say it meant something to them. Seriously, thanks very much. I like the commentary and think you both contribute an interesting slant on what we're watching. Will also go get the book I think I'm not just saying this because I think you're funny, intelligent & gorgeous or things like that, but I do Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: Acidmouse on December 01, 2011, 09:02:55 AM Her books great, even just for the early tales of the Mob and her relationship with them.
Giving 10k to help the aged from a nice scoop last week was a nice touch too :) Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: gatso on December 01, 2011, 09:15:37 AM Thought you were trying to get vicky to take your quiz Red Dog Well I take hers.... can't remember the last time I managed to get a wall perfect on only connect. so tilting. :D First one this well was easy. The rest of the questions were ridic hard though apart from the melons, coffee, beef, saffron one And as for Vicky's book, it's excellent, well worth a read for anyone that's not picked it up yet Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: Chompy on December 01, 2011, 09:20:19 AM Hurray for you, Tommy (and David and Tikay). They're ripping apart my commentary failings on the other thread; this has cheered me up a lot! As I'm sure you'll know, having read it, that is an intensely personal book for me and I put my heart and soul into it; it means an awful lot to me when people say it meant something to them. Seriously, thanks very much. I like the commentary and think you both contribute an interesting slant on what we're watching. Will also go get the book I think I'm not just saying this because I think you're funny, intelligent & gorgeous or things like that, but I do Me too, esp the bit where you laid into Pizzled for calling off his tournament with 23 pre-flop. Tell it like it is. Only Connect incred btw, makes an excellent hour on Mondays with Uni Chal. Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: rex008 on December 01, 2011, 09:21:59 AM +1 on the book recommendation. I thought it was great. Emotional roller-coaster, but then most good books are.
But Victoria, please ask your sound engineer on Only Connect what he's done with the bit between round 3 and round 4. There used to be a descending bass note that made my whole room shake (good sub!), and this series, it's gone! What's (s)he playing at? Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: Karabiner on December 01, 2011, 10:23:47 AM I lent Vicky's book to a non poker-playing golfing buddy of mine.
I told him that if he didn't like it not to bother with any other poker books as that is as good as it gets. Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: claypole on December 01, 2011, 02:22:31 PM Yes, I loved the book as well - without being to much of a fan boy, it's a great read - couldn't put my iPad down when I started it...
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: cambridgealex on December 01, 2011, 02:46:54 PM Yes, I loved the book as well - without being to much of a fan boy, it's a great read - couldn't put my iPad down when I started it... [ ] thin Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: kinboshi on December 01, 2011, 04:22:02 PM I read it on my kindle.
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: david3103 on December 02, 2011, 10:45:17 AM I held it in all it's hardbacked firmness and kept it lovingly wrapped in it's dustjacket
Title: Re: Talking of Miss Coren....... Post by: paulpitchford on December 02, 2011, 06:49:23 PM Yes, I loved the book as well - without being to much of a fan boy, it's a great read - couldn't put my iPad down when I started it... Just remembered that I bought Victoria's book on my iPad but I use it so sparingly that I forgot it was on there. I will now go and read it! :) |