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Early in Sky Roller, everybody seems awful.

I open hj to 150 with As 10C

btn flats.

Flop is

 5s 7s 2s

I bet 150
He raises to 400

Turn is  9s

I check/call 800 into 1100

River is Kc

I check
He checks.
I tilt

[ ] you have the nuts

just shove the river.

2700 in pot i have like 3500, he never calls worse right?

I don't like this line

i think it looks bluffy and he might call 2pr/worse spades.

The key question is Is this your account or someone else's?

edited mr alex of cambridgeshire

i dont "watch" accounts mr moderator.

PLENO IS A BELLEND.

HE DOESN'T EVER LISTEN TO TITBEAM ON SKYPE THAT'S WHY HE DOES LOSES.


Kthxbye

who else do you mentor?

tikay stop these ragamuffins from cheating the poor SKY POKER clients out of moneys please.

my dream is to mentor a herbinator!  I could deffo teach him to busto live comps on day 1 100% certainty or money back!

when you coming to prague now then fishy?

asap I hope, just need to be able to eat and hold it down.

Sure am happy about paying for flights/accommodation/parking etc and not going grrrrrr

would swop that for a gramm of on line advice. got two plumbers on team viewer with me tonight, and still cant plug all the leaks  :(

rotflmfao just click buttons that's what the kids do!

my puter screens are all   set up wrong...mine buttons say fold call and raise

kids 3 buttons are 3 bet , 4 bet , jam

what you need to do is one table. make the table as big as possible.


get a post it note, put it where the Fold button comes up. it's the button on the left or so I herd.

then it forces you to man up because you have to call or raise, and in general it's alot more fun to hit that right button.

you should try it some time!

ok, i'm gonna try it. if i suffer a`heart attack i wont be impressed :(

Lead the turn

thoughts on betting like 5-600 on river?

dont change a thing, wp.

leading river after this action gives you close to zero bluffs, atleast by checking we allow him to buff some % of the time. When he raises flop and bets turn on this specific board, we can assume he is bluffing a decent %.

If he's bluffing he'll often continue to bluff if you lead, no one will ever expects you to have the nizzles here and you can go lead/call, check/fistpump. Plus when he does have a hand he'll talk himself into peeling with so much of his value range ott and you can get more value that way, he's obv bad so he can't fold.

defo dont chk/call turn lead river imo

I think we have to lead the turn, we're repping basically what we have but we should get at least one more street from a decent flush speshly in this comp. We look super strong but this is like the only line where could conceivably be bluffing imo.

yeah thats understandable, leading river after c/c turn as i stated is much more nutted.

if we lead the river for like 1/5-1/4 pot i think he is more liekly top continue mad man bluffing if he has air. as our range is less nut weighted and more towards j-k high flushes, if i was him i'd prob find a hero jam anyway :P

WAT

Hey Mr Pleno Sir

I believe I was the villain.  There are a few discrepancies in the HH but the gist is as you had it.  I'll post the full history the bottom of this post for sake of completeness.

This was the hand from my perspective.  I've flatted the button versus an active player who's name rings a bell but who I have no direct history with (now I have twigged this is you and the bell was your username from some other thread on Blonde things make better sense, at the point of this hand you are 'new random').  I hold  5h 4h

Flop is middle and monotone.  Pretty much a perfect flop to pick off a paint by numbers C-Bet.  I have flopped a pair and may well be ahead but I'm hardly happy with the strength of my hand.  You C-Bet and I raise, I'm raising here wide and expect to take down a lot of pots here while at the same time I'm planning to barrel most turns if called as there are plenty of big Spades in my range here IMO.

Turn completes four to the flush, you check.  I decide to completely turn my hand into a bluff and rep a big Spade.  Now I'm not completely happy with my sizing here.  I think I can shave 150-200 off the bet to do the same job.  I've been hefty here to try to fold out some weaker spades (tens with  Ts etc).  The 'new random' gets a little sticky with these marginal holdings and I'm trying to exert a little extra pressure.  As a 'new random' when you call here you either have the very top end of your range or you're a bit of a caller and will most likely call any river bet.  Also if you call the turn you pretty much have to call that river.  I'm flying the white flag at this point.

As to if you missed out any value, I don't think so.  I don't like leading the turn for you if we have no direct history.  From your description of the table I assume you have me down as a bad player so you might think I get stubborn with weaker spades and will call/push with a set and hope for a pair up.  Maybe leading the turn is profitable if you know the player will do that but you can equally think that a bad player will bet  Js up for value on the turn and river or at least check turn to call a bet on the river.

Maybe a little tickle on the river to essentially annoy me might squeeze out a little extra value from worse flushes or even induce a stubborn jam from a bad player but without history I'd much rather check to allow the bluff to continue.  I can complete the bluff and in this case spew off but I decided it was a little early in the MTT to do that.

Addressing the comments by Muckthenuts, genuine question, while I would never say this is a hand to tell the grandchildren about, what from this hand makes me 'obv bad?'

Sky Hand History 445663035

Blinds 20/40
Table is 5 handed
Santoon (UTG playing 4700) raises to 120
TommyD (BTN playing 8K) calls
Blinds fold

Flop  7s 5s 9s Pot 300

Santoon bets 150
TommyD Raises to 400
Santoon calls

Turn  3s  Pot 1100

Santoon check calls 800

River   Kd

Check Check
Santoon  Tc Aspades
TommyD  5h 4h

No disrespect meant at all mate, just the feedback i gave based on the descrption given 

What are you gonna do to a turn lead, give up the bluff or carry on repping the big spade by raising?

hey

sorry i said you were awful, i quote myself

"everybody seems awful" which was true and I had titbeam on skype berationg the whole of sky poker for 3 hours :D

thanks for reply.

yeah w/e newb I was telling you that YOU were awful. innit!

Not a problem Sir

As I didn't know it was Pleno, I'm giving up.  The 'New Random' probably has a big Spade with the turn lead and I think unless I have some better history with them it's far too early to get fancy.  If I did know who it was I get a headache and am very tempted to represent the big Spade.  I've never played him but I'm getting this information from reading his diary and I think I can say he's plenty capable of representing the Spade here and turning his hand into a bluff/float to lead a spade.

No worries whatsoever.  To be honest it was a good table for this MTT.

guy on my direct left and your direct left were both absolute fools. see you next week mate.

rotflmfao

that guy 6 to your left was a right pillock Pleeeeeno :)up

you calling tommyd a pillock? 5 handed table bro.

boooooooooooooooooooooom!

how are we meant to get value any other way aside from leading the turn.

bet turn bet river and not too close imo prtetty much his entire range is now bluff catchers/thin value hands

tommyd your right that he shouldnt have bet the turn here, but thats with the info that a) you have complete air and b) that you're thinking on any sort of level.

without that info i dont like chk/call chk river too much

ahaha that's hilarious.

I BE A FISH YO

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