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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2011, 09:23:59 PM »

my dream is to mentor a herbinator!  I could deffo teach him to busto live comps on day 1 100% certainty or money back!
would swop that for a gramm of on line advice. got two plumbers on team viewer with me tonight, and still cant plug all the leaks  Sad


just click buttons that's what the kids do!
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2011, 09:33:30 PM »

my dream is to mentor a herbinator!  I could deffo teach him to busto live comps on day 1 100% certainty or money back!
would swop that for a gramm of on line advice. got two plumbers on team viewer with me tonight, and still cant plug all the leaks  Sad


just click buttons that's what the kids do!
my puter screens are all   set up wrong...mine buttons say fold call and raise
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2011, 09:35:20 PM »

kids 3 buttons are 3 bet , 4 bet , jam
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2011, 09:37:24 PM »

kids 3 buttons are 3 bet , 4 bet , jam


what you need to do is one table. make the table as big as possible.


get a post it note, put it where the Fold button comes up. it's the button on the left or so I herd.

then it forces you to man up because you have to call or raise, and in general it's alot more fun to hit that right button.

you should try it some time!
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2011, 09:47:24 PM »

kids 3 buttons are 3 bet , 4 bet , jam


what you need to do is one table. make the table as big as possible.


get a post it note, put it where the Fold button comes up. it's the button on the left or so I herd.

then it forces you to man up because you have to call or raise, and in general it's alot more fun to hit that right button.

you should try it some time!
ok, i'm gonna try it. if i suffer a`heart attack i wont be impressed Sad
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2011, 01:04:58 AM »

Lead the turn
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2011, 11:33:31 AM »

thoughts on betting like 5-600 on river?
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2011, 02:50:39 PM »

dont change a thing, wp.

leading river after this action gives you close to zero bluffs, atleast by checking we allow him to buff some % of the time. When he raises flop and bets turn on this specific board, we can assume he is bluffing a decent %.

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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2011, 03:23:18 PM »

dont change a thing, wp.

leading river after this action gives you close to zero bluffs, atleast by checking we allow him to buff some % of the time. When he raises flop and bets turn on this specific board, we can assume he is bluffing a decent %.



If he's bluffing he'll often continue to bluff if you lead, no one will ever expects you to have the nizzles here and you can go lead/call, check/fistpump. Plus when he does have a hand he'll talk himself into peeling with so much of his value range ott and you can get more value that way, he's obv bad so he can't fold.
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2011, 03:52:55 PM »

defo dont chk/call turn lead river imo

I think we have to lead the turn, we're repping basically what we have but we should get at least one more street from a decent flush speshly in this comp. We look super strong but this is like the only line where could conceivably be bluffing imo.
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2011, 05:34:47 PM »

dont change a thing, wp.

leading river after this action gives you close to zero bluffs, atleast by checking we allow him to buff some % of the time. When he raises flop and bets turn on this specific board, we can assume he is bluffing a decent %.



If he's bluffing he'll often continue to bluff if you lead, no one will ever expects you to have the nizzles here and you can go lead/call, check/fistpump. Plus when he does have a hand he'll talk himself into peeling with so much of his value range ott and you can get more value that way, he's obv bad so he can't fold.

yeah thats understandable, leading river after c/c turn as i stated is much more nutted.
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2011, 05:43:18 PM »

if we lead the river for like 1/5-1/4 pot i think he is more liekly top continue mad man bluffing if he has air. as our range is less nut weighted and more towards j-k high flushes, if i was him i'd prob find a hero jam anyway Tongue
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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2011, 06:24:16 PM »


We holds the - As

Board two spades


everybody seems awful.

he never calls worse right?


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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2011, 06:28:59 PM »

Hey Mr Pleno Sir

I believe I was the villain.  There are a few discrepancies in the HH but the gist is as you had it.  I'll post the full history the bottom of this post for sake of completeness.

This was the hand from my perspective.  I've flatted the button versus an active player who's name rings a bell but who I have no direct history with (now I have twigged this is you and the bell was your username from some other thread on Blonde things make better sense, at the point of this hand you are 'new random').  I hold  

Flop is middle and monotone.  Pretty much a perfect flop to pick off a paint by numbers C-Bet.  I have flopped a pair and may well be ahead but I'm hardly happy with the strength of my hand.  You C-Bet and I raise, I'm raising here wide and expect to take down a lot of pots here while at the same time I'm planning to barrel most turns if called as there are plenty of big Spades in my range here IMO.

Turn completes four to the flush, you check.  I decide to completely turn my hand into a bluff and rep a big Spade.  Now I'm not completely happy with my sizing here.  I think I can shave 150-200 off the bet to do the same job.  I've been hefty here to try to fold out some weaker spades (tens with   etc).  The 'new random' gets a little sticky with these marginal holdings and I'm trying to exert a little extra pressure.  As a 'new random' when you call here you either have the very top end of your range or you're a bit of a caller and will most likely call any river bet.  Also if you call the turn you pretty much have to call that river.  I'm flying the white flag at this point.

As to if you missed out any value, I don't think so.  I don't like leading the turn for you if we have no direct history.  From your description of the table I assume you have me down as a bad player so you might think I get stubborn with weaker spades and will call/push with a set and hope for a pair up.  Maybe leading the turn is profitable if you know the player will do that but you can equally think that a bad player will bet   up for value on the turn and river or at least check turn to call a bet on the river.

Maybe a little tickle on the river to essentially annoy me might squeeze out a little extra value from worse flushes or even induce a stubborn jam from a bad player but without history I'd much rather check to allow the bluff to continue.  I can complete the bluff and in this case spew off but I decided it was a little early in the MTT to do that.

Addressing the comments by Muckthenuts, genuine question, while I would never say this is a hand to tell the grandchildren about, what from this hand makes me 'obv bad?'

Sky Hand History 445663035

Blinds 20/40
Table is 5 handed
Santoon (UTG playing 4700) raises to 120
TommyD (BTN playing 8K) calls
Blinds fold

Flop   Pot 300

Santoon bets 150
TommyD Raises to 400
Santoon calls

Turn    Pot 1100

Santoon check calls 800

River  

Check Check
Santoon  
TommyD  
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2011, 06:51:52 PM »


Addressing the comments by Muckthenuts, genuine question, while I would never say this is a hand to tell the grandchildren about, what from this hand makes me 'obv bad?'


No disrespect meant at all mate, just the feedback i gave based on the descrption given 

What are you gonna do to a turn lead, give up the bluff or carry on repping the big spade by raising?
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