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I've been to Linlithgow, could think of better platforms to be chucked on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16159878 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16159878)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfTR9dah9pg

Respect the guy for doing this, probs wouldn't have the bottle myself, the wee skally could have a knife or anything. Feel sorry for the ticket collector, bet there are loads of them who go through this daily.

Yes I can honestly say there are not many days that go by when far worse than this occurs.

Fare's fare.

Think I here someone at the end say there is no need for that, like the guy is wrong

i think it's a bit much.

not that he removes him, but the point where he basically body slams him..

Thats Scotland for you

Harsh but fare

so unneccessary

Not really sure what there is to respect ? He sure would have done this if he wasn't three times his size and twice his age, basically just seems like a bully. Not saying it's ok to not pay for a ticket but really can't see the need for him to do that at all.

Respect for the bully? It was nothing to do with him - he should have let the Ticket Inspector deal with it. I lost my ticket last year and the Inspector just took my details and I paid a penalty fare afterwards [I had paid btw]. There was no need for the cantankerous Inspector to hold up the train - he could have taken details. Putting someone with no money off a train by force part-way through a journey at night is hardly the way to deal with it. If you watch the full video you see that more violence was used that is shown in the shorter version and the teenager was thrown to the ground three times, very roughly the second time. I hope that both the bully and the Inspector are prosecuted.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073660/Big-Man-Scotrail-ticket-video-Alan-Pollock-throws-fare-dodger-Sam-Main-train.html

you can't go swearing like that when there are families and kids about. So what if the big fella ejects him, the conductor wasnt capable of it but he wanted him off, his cuts are for justice for his behaviour. Even if it is bullying, bullying on one occasion >>>>>> guy swearing in public and deciding not to pay for the train. He will pay from now on, lesson learnt. when i was acting up as a kid my dad slapping my arse wasnt bullying, and no, he wouldnt have done it to someone who was bigger than him.

very nice


Old news

Huge difference between paying the penalty and continuing telling him to fuk off infront of familes.

The guy is hardly a bully, I seriously doubt he got on the train with the intention of causing harm to anyone. The conductor was clearly not capable of handling the situation himself and the fare dodger was effing and blinding and acting in a genuinely threatening manner towards him, so the big guy did what he and many others felt was right. I'm sure if the big guy was the conductor himself then the fare dodger wouldn't act up to him like this in the first place. He got what he deserved and the round of applause from fellow passengers at the end is more than deserved, imo of course. I can honestly say I would have been clapping along with them.

Giving the dodgers an on the spot fine is pointless. They don't end up paying, the fine accumulates then they end up contacting the person in question and offering to write off the debt for 10-50% of the original amount...

Heard a radio interview with the accused dodger's father who wasn't best pleased and claimed his son is a student who had bought the wrong ticket. If you don't have a ticket or the correct ticket get off the train. Simple. The conductor shouldn't have to listen to every single person try and explain why they haven't got a ticket. It is black and white. Also from the dialogue it seemed the train had been waiting there for quite some time, why should every other single person on the train have to be held up because some chancer wants to save a couple of quid.

All that a side if the dodger hadn't decided to start swearing and all that and had tried to explain himself in a calm and coherent manner (hard for a jock I know) then the outcome could have been very different.

The conductors are entitled to call for police assistance if they feel necessary but i seriously doubt there would have been any on hand at  Linlithgow. It could have gone down a little something like this:

(Eso Kral on a train???)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gZ3ovt_S8

Sitting there and saying you'll wait (presumably for the Transport Police the guard should have called) is acting in a genuinely threatening manner???? FFS.

Can sympathise with the guy who rag-dolled the kid off the train, I totally understand it, but he took it a bit far.

Guard handled the thing deplorably from what we saw.

Having lost a ticket while changing trains at Birmingham & despite showing the receipt, the ticket down to Reading from 2 days before & having a ticket from Bracknell to Reading that got me to Reading in time for the last train that would get me on to the service to Glasgow that I was on the Guard was for turfing me off at Crewe. No suggestion of taking details and me paying later, nothing but cough up or be turfed off and find accommodation for the night. If I hadn't had the work credit card I'd have given serious thought to getting lifted - at least I'd have got a bed for the night.

Obv take better care of your ticket.. It happens to everyone I lost my ticket going from Newcastle to London at Newcastle, FML, i had my seat reservation stub but couldn't find the ticket. Had to pay £120 I think it was.
[  ] I moaned
[  ] I started swearing and saying i will sit here all night
[  ] I got chucked off the train
[  ] I inconvenienced any other passengers
[ x ] It was completely my own fault
[ x ] I went and bought 8 Stellas and had an ok journey

The guy is doing his job, he must have to put with this shit day in day out. Show a valid ticket or gtfo, no exceptions.

On a similiar note, i have wondered what happens if you get to a bridge toll or similiar and don't have any money or cards?

Fall asleep? He can't rouse you.
Scotrail are liable for the assault and injuries, I'd be suing them so fast...
Strangely, if the inspector had carried out the assault himself, they wouldn't be liable.

Absolutely no respect for the 'bully' here, hope he gets the book thrown at him, and hard. Every bully and most perpetrators of assault consider their actions more than justified. 'My wife was being a bitch/my kid was being a little spoiled brat/the guy at the bar was eyeing up my wife'. Unless they're mad, there's always a reason. That's why we have such a clear law on it: unless it's in self defence, it's assault, and you will be punished accordingly. You just can't have that kind of behaviour in a civilized society.

using the word bully in this situation is wrong. Using too much force to remove a twat from the train would be a better way of saying it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16177725

Easy to deflect from the fair doding swearing yuff and focus on the person who resolved the situation.

He's no saint, but would there have been a 'situation' if they'd just let the train go on and arrested him at the destination? It was the inspector's decision to hold up the train.
There will always be yuffs, and always be swearing and antisocial behaviour. The question is, do you think it should be dealt with by 'have-a--throw' heroes?

yeah swearing infront of kids and not paying for your ticket. People need to be taught lessons.

What would Jesus do? :p

This is Scotland. It's just how we talk.

   get off train when asked without making a fuss

incred work

"I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go."

What a crock of shit!!

At first I thought 'that's really really awesome, so glad that disrespectful little runt got taught a lesson'.

However, some have made great points as to why he maybe shouldn't have done it. Better for those little kids to hear a bit of swearing and be told by their parents about why not to be an arsehole like that rather than the kids potentially witnessing a stabbing etc when mr chav has a knife.

Different situation obviously, but...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1533867/Thug-who-murdered-train-traveller-for-a-look-gets-life.html

RE: original video

Does somebody have subtitles? Chavs and Scots alone are difficult enough to understand. The resultant combination is an utterly indecipherable hybrid of vowels.

Also, introduce a "parking ticket" type policy already. Obviously there are some people that know what they're doing (probably this guy in all fairness, based on what other people have suggested is being said in the video) but there are of course numerous people who do get the wrong ticket or lose it somewhere along the way. If you can't pay up front, it's probably because you don't have any money. Being stuck somewhere unfamiliar between origin and destination with not enough money to get to either seems like pretty harsh punishment if you've genuinely misplaced a ticket that you've already actually paid for. Getting given a ticket which forces you later to either prove your purchase of the original fare, or to pay later the refusal of which resulting in a court case for example sounds a million times better? Doesn't result in a train being held up either.

Also, one more thing. I was sat opposite an old lady in the carriage on the way to London recently. She looked like she took care of herself, despite her elderly frame; and she was well spoken. When the ticket collector came round and she couldn't find her ticket, she was immediately given the benefit of the doubt. Had that been me, I'd have been asked to get off the train. Show me the justice. Also, let's see how heroic that fat guy is when he gets slapped with an assault charge lol.

Try look less like a homeless guy?  :)

Guy is a hero. simple

So many assumptions being made about the young person in the video.

Like what, ray?

Most people have made the assumption that he's a fucknugget which is right.

By all accounts, he threw the guy out and he landed face first on the platform.

Alternative scenario, your 'hero' carries out the same actions, but the impact dislodges a blood clot in the ejectee and he dies on the spot. Still a hero? Such 'eggshell skull' situations do arise, and the law shrugs its shoulders at the 'hero' and says 'tough'. Would the murder charge be misguided?

Manslaughter/ Run better

Alternative scenario. Big guy is actually Jack Bauer in body suit. At his final destination he needs to disarm a weapon that will wipe the western world from the face of the Earth. If the train is delayed any longer half the world will die. Still worried about the lads face who didn't have an eggshell skull who's life he has just saved?

Well for one he said he had a ticket but gave the wrong one as he'd just woke up, may or may not be true.

The fact he's a Chav, if I'd been a sleep and then someone was speaking to me like shit and said to get off the train I'd have probably told them to fk off as well and then apologised to the family's for swearing.

Pretty sure there's a few others as well. How is he a fucknugget other than that he may've gave the wrong ticket over being half asleep then got into an arguement with an inspector and got manhandled off a train by a "big man" that wanted to look clever but is really just a twat.

BBC Radio this morning his dad said he had bought a ticket but lost it, not woken up and handed the wrong one over.

Lol @ wanting to look clever and is a twat. He wanted to get the train moving again, wanted to stop the poor old conductor being mugged off further, wanted to stand up for all that is wrong with this country. Ban the yuffs, ban hoodies in shopping centres, bring in curfews, no sex before marriage. Ok, ok i might have gone a bit over the edge on the last couple of points.

Some selective quoting there.....


All OK for you then being so balla - what if you hadn't had enough cash on you? What would you have done then?

Good luck to his counsel trying to show that he didn't think tossing someone out from a train on to their face could easily result in serious injury.
Good luck to his counsel in relying on him not knowing that the guy had a pre-existing condition which meant this throwing would probably kill him. You take your victim as you find them.

Just quoting what I felt was pertinant to my response

tbf, I think I put it on a credit card, but that aside probs would have got off and rang a friend to come pick me up, get someone to transfer money into my account and buy a ticket, ask the conductor to let me travel to my destination where soemeone would meet me with money, tell him to fuck off and say I will wait here all day until he lets me have my free journey and hold everyone on the train up, whilst abusing the fellow passenger's ears

this version is easier to follow

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKKADFIEX84

 :-*
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7jt0x6idU

Yeah, that's pretty bad. Normally I'm in your park Milligan, get rid of the idiots etc. but this seems a little extreme. You've paid for your ticket, it's the middle of the night, and some fat scottish bloke gives you the rock bottom onto a train platform. Unjust imo.


Agree. Way over the edge.

[  ] he has paid

Lol at describing Big Man as a bully - he was just someone who wanted to get home vaguely on time.

If the ned hadn't have been such an argumentative prick the conductor wouldn't have wanted him off the train so quickly.

The complaints against Big Man are exactly the reason why few people stand up to anti-social scrotes on public transport. (Though in London there is also the added factor that doing so is liable to get you shanked).

Sorry, guy is a thug.

The victim of the assault is a student. But if he had been a chav, as some have said, then so what? He claims to have bought a return but was given two singles at the ticket office.

"I had been out celebrating after an exam and I was half asleep on the train. I did have a ticket but I must have handed over the wrong one to the conductor."

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/13/article-0-0F29A45700000578-497_306x423.jpg)

Even if you can prove he hasn't paid, doesn't give fat people the right to push him off a train. Where do you draw the line? At school there were a lot of people in my classroom who used to get frustrated because I had a learning disability and the class (train in this metaphor) wasn't getting to its destination as quickly as everyone else would have liked. Would a fat guy have been a hero if he'd have beaten me up there and then for the benefit of a few impatient whinos? Or would he have just been picking on a retard?

Issue the kid a fine ffs. Easy game.

The law disagrees with you, do you think we should change it?

If he'd picked up the wrong guy, pretty reasonable chance of a blade in the stomach for our chubby bully superhero vigilante there. lol Ned would have said in court 'I was defending myself, I thought he was about to injure me!'

[X] He'd have been right.

Should have been thrown off purely on the basis that he was wearing a Dappy hat.

Shame the train was at a station at the time.

This is the problem - in your scenario the law is favouring the guy who a) doesn't pay to travel on trains, b) swears aggressively at someone just doing their job and c) is carrying a knife on them.

Damn right that's not how things should be.

Lack of any manners worse than not having the correct ticket imo.

Fling him.

Good point. The only downside I see in our proposed new system is hapless chubbies not being able to discern where to intervene and where not to, or injuring the ned in the process due to lack of formal restraint training. Maybe we could formalize the system, employ a big band of chubby guys, give them uniforms, weapons and training. Sure, they couldn't be at every situation, but if we gave them a special number, maybe people could call them in and they could go there quickly.

Corporal punishment was abolished in the UK some time ago, if you had/have a learning disability you should be taught in a seperate class so it is not detremental to others. This was common place at many of the schools I went to and obv is no reason for a fat kid to beat you up. But for metaphor's sake if you were sat in class swearing at the teacher and disrupting everyone I would happily watch a fat kid pick you up and throw you out of the room! I might even give such act a round of applause.


Lolz. Even if he had handed over the wrong ticket, when the conductor was speaking to him why didn't he just say "sorry" and hand over the correct ticket instead of swearing at the collector and upsetting everyone. Lol at the pic also, where is the pic of his pre bought ticket??

I don't often agree with Andrew T's posts. but he has nailed it here!

ManuelsMum had a pretty good comeback though.

In a perfect world, Dibble is the answer, but it's more that those who need to have their behaviour changed are the least likely to pay heed to corrective measures.

So now we know what you really think. "Lol at the pic" of someone's injuries from being thrown face-down on the ground with force.

You think these injuries are funny?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/13/article-0-0F29A45700000578-497_306x423.jpg)

Even if he hadn't paid [which he says he had], it wouldn't justify an assault. Some people seem to relish an excuse to have a go at anyone who is considered to have made any transgression. Regardless of how minor the offence, they seem to think they are justified in beating them up as if some spurious moral high-ground makes them immune to the law and gives them the opportunity to do things that they are usually restricted from. Quite rightly, it doesn't work likely that.

Also, the Inspector requested the attack and had a go himself at the end. They should both be prosecuted.

The kid was in the wrong, the inspector and big guy handled it wrong.
I'm in the camp which says kid deserved what he got.
Treating minor offences such as this with a softly softly approach is the reason this country is in the state it's in (and no, I'm not on about the financial state). This has led to a whole load of disrespect for everyone and everything. People will always try and get away with things if they feel there are no significant consequences.

Tbh

I blamed  the ticket guy for not controlling the situation better.

Young guy  was wrong for being gobby

The fat guy just got pissed off and did what he thought would make him get home on time
But ott

Ticket or otherwise the behaviour of 'big man' is absolutely heinous.

We all want to get to where we are going on time when we travel, but any logical soul accepts the (admittedly frustrating) possibility of delays.

Here these delays are exacerbated by an incompetent ticket inspector, which some giant daft twot uses as an excuse to take out some pent up aggression under the guise of 'the public interest'.

He will get a fcuking in the courts for what effectively amounted to ABH, and rightly so.

I have had worse shaving cuts. and my knees/shins look a million times worse every time i play football. He was thrown down as he kept fighting back to try and get back on the train he had no right to be on! Requested the attack? he asked him to be removed, he didn't say beat him up and jump up and down on his head.

at·tack (-tk)
v. at·tacked, at·tack·ing, at·tacks
v.tr.
1. To set upon with violent force.
2. To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.


1. The big man was deliberate and forceful. I wouldn't say he was violent. He tried to usher him out of the carriage but the dodger kept trying to fight his way out of the man's clutches.
2. I would say the young man lead a verbal attack on the elderly fragile controller

I really hope the big fella doesn't get punished in any way. This would make an example that people can't just go around not buying tickets and gobbing off as they please.

To be fair I should add "and an objectionable youth"

1:41 Yeah that's not really violent, barely more than gingerly pressing him really. With extreme physical force. To the ground. I'm pretty sure I've seen that move on WWE somewhere.

Let them all the nice people that come out with the same old excuses day in day out, pocket dance, hide in the toilets but yet seem to find enough cash to have on them a bottle of whiskey or white diamond etc travel free. Let them sit there laughing at us whilst calling me a fat ugly bitch and saying how they aint pay and no one is going to make me.
Let them sit there next to all the hardworking folk that have paid for season tickets to get to and from work. Why not after all us " ticket collectors " get no better thought of which ever way we choose on the day to handle it.

 I think someone mentioned just ask them to fill in an unpaid fares notice, yes just do that when you have just a few minutes between stops and most dodgers will give you false details anyway. The only ones that give correct details are the genuine ones. By the time one has done an address check on them they are off the train and long gone.

Fare dodgers are an everyday occurrence, you just get used to them as as you can see from this thread which ever way one chooses to deal with them there will always be someone that disagrees.

I am not justifying the way this was handled but then I wasn't there and I feel sure that the person filming this has not got it from the off, ie the incident had most likely been going on for some time before they decided to turn on their cam.

Train wankers

We go on training days where we are taught how to communicate with troublesome customers. These training days used to be taught by police and showed us self defense,  however now we get guided by what can only be described as actors, role playing and learning us to understand these people, how to talk to them. Basically we now have a no hands on policy. It's a shame that the guy who decided to masturbate on my early morning train didn't, or the lad that spat on me cause he didn't want to pay, or the man that said he had a gun his his back pack or the guy walking up n down the train with a Stanley blade. The joys of a working life.

Exactly! all these people who say he should be banged up, when is it ok for a member of the public to step in and forcefully escort someone off the train? Their answer: When it is too late!!

I remember when chiprich didnt have any cash to pay for york to leeds. Myself, Brent and Jones though it would be funny to try see him sneak on, he got caught and ordered off the train 4 miles out from Leeds. He had to walk the rest

how come underground and bus RPI's in london get paid more than those on the trains?



Buses - There are 285 RPIs employed on London's bus service. Their basic
salary is £32,278.

LU - There are 234 Revenue Control Inspectors on the London Underground
service with a basic salary of £36,871

London Overground - There are 21 Inspectors and 3 Team Leader Inspectors
employed on the London Overground's services earning £22k and £24k
respectively.

I always thought ticket inspectors were just really a deterrent. ie we know they might come so we're more likely to buy a ticket.

Didn't know they were expected to get into confrontations to collect money from people. It's like bank tellers being told to put up resistance to robbers - pretty silly.

The fat man would get some credit from me if he was protecting people being hurt - he wasn't, ergo psychopath - hope the judge thinks that too.

The guy who actually filmed the footage said the dialogue was going on for 5 mins before he started recording, he said at first he felt sorry for the lad and was going to pay the fare for him, but then the lad turned abusive and his language was appalling so he decided to film him instead.

Don't think he was really behaving like a fare-dodger just nonsensically refusing to pay for a ticket like he knew he ought to

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-16177963

He knows he's going to court, unlikely to be lying about details that he'll have to support there.

I wouldn't imagine Ticket Inspectors are encouraged by any company to get into confrontation but then I don't know as I am not one.

I personally do get sick of having the piss taken out of me continuously day in day out same old excuses etc, some days it is easier to just shrug and walk away than others. Sometimes it's just that sneer that can wind one up, other times I can just walk away.

I don't think bank tellers have to deal with robbers on a daily basis though so hard to relate the two in my opinion.

Friday:

Young guy possibly tries it on, big guy bungs him off the train, train proceeds to next destination.

Young guy obviously makes other arrangements and gets home (albeit a wee bit sore)

No complaint made, harsh lesson learnt and life goes on...........................

But it's 2011

Tuesday:

Video of the incident appears on youtube, young guy now embarrassed, makes complaint in an attempt to combat embarrassment and possibly make a claim. Big guy faces court..............................

Or am I just being cynical??

Geo

I have stayed out of this thread - but if i was in the kids shoes facing prosecution id do what he has done - amazing how these things go away

no matter how you look at these things he has been assaulted and its on camera!

Where is it mentioned the kid was being prosecuted?

I haven't even said I condone what has happened, merely pointing out as you yourself have highlighted by the ! after camera, that in days gone by this would not have been on youtube and everyone would be carrying on with life.

Instead we get a thread, whilst full of justified comment, is also full of moronic references to bank robberies and murder.

Geo

Sorry my misunderstanding - i thought that was why

back to my "ignoring this thread" shaped hole!

carry on

Amazing - you considered the boy threatening for sitting in a seat and swearing but the man non-violent for hauling the boy up by the scruff, forcing him off a train & then throwing him to the ground.

Again, no doubt you'd have left the train peacefully in his circumstances, leaving your bag, iPad and all on the train.

It sounds like a very tough job, was genuinely wondering if the collectors were 'expected' to be persistent or whether a more personal safety slant was put on things.
Can well understand the sneer or taking the mick really being too much at times

I actually think that has a lot to do with it Geo, think the vid hitting the news and speculation on him getting charged might have had an influence as well. Mnd you we've no certainty he's made a complaint - every chance the complaints were brought by interfering people taking whichever side.

Not cynical, just expressing a view, albeit one that ascribes emotions and thought processes to people as pure conjecture.

However, it's a fact that the big guy mildly brutalised the small guy - unprovoked. Unless sitting around waiting for 5 mins is a reasonable justification - I wouldn't think that it is in any era.

I made the reference to murder, how's that moronic?

In that you took the scenario to an extreme.

And I find it highly unlikely that in the event of death in this case that a murder charge would be brought, manslaughter at most.

Geo

Because...

I don't believe you to be so stupid but I'll help you anyway:

From Wiki

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).

Happy to help

Geo

I'm aware of the difference between murder and manslaughter, you might want to gen up on the scope of 'murder' though as you seem to think it includes only homicides by those who intend to deliberately cause someone's death.

Not at all, if you read up on murder the laws in England and Wales and Scottish law vary and I'm fairly confident that in Scotland a murder charge is very unlikely to be applied in this case.

Geo

More than giving him a free ticket with this recording!

I've watched Taggart all my life, so I'm well-versed in the difference between murdar and culpabal hoamicide.

if the guy had thrown him to the ground, and killed him, then yes, it's feasible that both in Scotland and in England a charge of murder could be brought. Even in Scotland. For the record, it's more likely that a constructive manslaughter charge would be brought in such a case to avoid the nasty little issue of proving intent (which doesn't have to be intent to kill, btw).

source: law degree

In Summary;  the ticket inspector was a twat for not doing his job, the student was a twat for his attitude, and the big lad was a twat for throwing another twat off the train, sorted.

seems a good way to wrap it up

Might have some sympathy for him if he is genuinely a decent guy that bought a ticket and just gave the wrong ticket however the evidence on the video suggests he isnt.  I see youths like this all the time, these days they really think they can say and do what they want with no consequences.  People that attempt this kind of stuff and get thrown on their face are hopefully going to learn a lesson that they cant do that.

For the people saying it was handled wrong, what is the correct way to handle it?  The passenger has plenty of chances to pay/prove he has paid already/leave the train and refuses all of them?  The ticket collector has asked him for a ticket or to leave.....which is all he can do.  His next step is to call for security or police to remove the passenger, he didnt ask the other passenger to do it for him.

Not sure why people are over complicating it. It is your responsibility to hold a valid ticket. If you buy the wrong one or lose it you have two options. Buy a new one or get off the train. This lad wasn't explaing that he didn't have the money for a ticket he was being abusive.

If the ticket inspector had been an 18st body builder would the lad have been so rude, I doubt it. If the young lad had been 6"2 and build like brick shithouse would the big man have tackled him in the same way? Probably not. In my opinion it's all irrelivent. If you don't have a ticket buy one or get off the train. Refuse to get off and you deserve what you get.

If this type of thing happened more often idiots like this would be more likely to follow the rules like everybody else.

-Excuse me sonny, this is the wrong ticket, do you have one for going the other way?
#No, I have two singles going the same way, the ticket booth guy made a mistake
-Do you have the receipt on you please?
#Yes I do, here it is.
-Thank you. It does indeed look like he made an error. I do apologise for this. Please present the receipt with your ticket if stopped at the destination and explain to them the same way you did to me.
#Thanks.
[walks away]

or
Start shouting at the guy, embarass him, wonder why he swears back, give him a drubbing about the other passengers to further embarass him, then start a tag team on him with some Bandit to manhandle him off the train.

 

OK maybe I missed the part he said he had 2 singles or showed 2 singles.  From the video it looks like he has 1 single.

There was a five minute exchange between them before the camera was switched on, maybe it all happened there. The nedjectee has since been on camera explaining what went on, (coming across as a bit of a saint tbh) but he does insist that he was given two singles by mistake and would have bought another ticket if given the opportunity (does look like the inspector is being a bit draconian with him and just wants him aff to be fair). He may be lying about the other single, unlikely though since he knows it'll all come out in the court action.
On second viewing, I tend to see the whole exchange a bit more dynamically, the inspector is being pretty antagonistic and hostile, people tend to react badly when treated like crap, especially when they believe themselves to be in the right.
Feel a bit sorry for the inspector too, some people just get like that when they're old: bitter and belligerent.

I think the guy in the original video itt is a massive hero, this is what a massive twat looks like IMO (the guy doing the pushing Obv)



YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R81g-N5-f7c

I'm like Nostrodamus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16229921

Scotrail investigation shows the student was wrongly sold 2 singles Polmont-Edinburgh instead of one each way according to the Scottish press today.

Allegations of a pre-video trip attempt also. Not sure what the charge is but looks like the woolly hatted ned may get prosecuted too.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/investigations-reveal-student-was-sold-wrong-ticket.16216486

1 fact, countered by an allegation that wasn't made during the whole furore..... sounds like they're trying to make the case against the lad worse to cover for Scotrail's mistakes to me.

BTW can we please stop calling him a ned? He's nowhere near a ned & doesn't have a neddy accent if he was a ned the 'Big Man' wouldn't have laid a hand on him.

At least all of this meant I learnt a new word - never heard of a 'ned' before.

It's obviously a Scottish thing but it was being used freely on lots of non-Scottish news forums last week - for the first time, I suspect, in some cases.

One folk etymology for Ned is that it stands for "Non-Educated Delinquent," a backronym which arose long after the word "ned" came into use.[14] In 2003, the Scottish Socialist Party MSP Rosie Kane tabled a question to the Scottish Parliament condemning use of the word "ned", which she said was degrading and insulting to young people as it stood for non-educated delinquent.

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I'm liking 'backronym'!

Looks like "big man" has been charged with assault.

hes one of the men of the year in the sun today :)

And the wee guy with the hat who isn't a ned done for Breach of the Peace and.....

trespass (???)

I know if I was in the position I would have done exactly what the "big man" would have done.

There are too many liberals who seem to think that force should never be used, the young guy was clearly being a nob head.  He never had a valid ticket, when I buy a train ticket or a bus ticket I always check it and make sure its got the correct destination etc in the event that a conductor wants to check it.

Also if young guy is holding up the train then I'm obvs going to be mega pissed off. 

Its like when your on the bus and you get nobs who think its okay to smoke on the upper deck, I have got into a few confrontations in the past over this and I don't care what size the smoker is if they are smoking on the bus they are either putting it out or getting a slap. 

bigmanm shouldnt of gotten involved unless the young guy had gotten physical, guard was holding up the train not the young guy. The guard should of radioed ahead for the train to be met by the local police force if no BTP was available. When the big guy put his hand on the young guy it was assult

if i was in a pub and the bar staff was getting verbal abuse from a punter after being asked, i wouldnt be able to physically help the staff help the guy out they have to wait for the police if i helped the staff eject a peacefullybut verbal person out the pub i would expect to be charged.

big guy was in the wrong and the guard was in the wrong

A little naive tbh if you think local police are interested in a minor incident like possible fare evasion. You are lucky to get BTP to meet you for far more serious incidents.

i was on a train in aberdeen which was delayed in station while police interviewed a suspect who hadnt a ticket they took hi details then allowed him to travel

All of the ticket inspectors I've spoken to about it previously say that they challenge those without a ticket, and if they meet any resistance, they just leave them alone and move on, not worth the hassle. Inspectors save the Company £££ by providing a deterrent to a huge number of people who would otherwise be casual/opportunistic/blue collar dodgers, who would offer them no resistance ever. Why waste time bothering with those who would kick up a fuss?
Manned inspection points at my point of origin and destination anyway.

Guy was not charged then.

Yeah no charges brought