Get off my Train

[mulhuzz]

In Summary;  the ticket inspector was a twat for not doing his job, the student was a twat for his attitude, and the big lad was a twat for throwing another twat off the train, sorted.

seems a good way to wrap it up

[Boba Fett]

Might have some sympathy for him if he is genuinely a decent guy that bought a ticket and just gave the wrong ticket however the evidence on the video suggests he isnt.  I see youths like this all the time, these days they really think they can say and do what they want with no consequences.  People that attempt this kind of stuff and get thrown on their face are hopefully going to learn a lesson that they cant do that.

For the people saying it was handled wrong, what is the correct way to handle it?  The passenger has plenty of chances to pay/prove he has paid already/leave the train and refuses all of them?  The ticket collector has asked him for a ticket or to leave.....which is all he can do.  His next step is to call for security or police to remove the passenger, he didnt ask the other passenger to do it for him.

[sovietsong]

Not sure why people are over complicating it. It is your responsibility to hold a valid ticket. If you buy the wrong one or lose it you have two options. Buy a new one or get off the train. This lad wasn't explaing that he didn't have the money for a ticket he was being abusive.

If the ticket inspector had been an 18st body builder would the lad have been so rude, I doubt it. If the young lad had been 6"2 and build like brick shithouse would the big man have tackled him in the same way? Probably not. In my opinion it's all irrelivent. If you don't have a ticket buy one or get off the train. Refuse to get off and you deserve what you get.

If this type of thing happened more often idiots like this would be more likely to follow the rules like everybody else.

[ManuelsMum]

Might have some sympathy for him if he is genuinely a decent guy that bought a ticket and just gave the wrong ticket however the evidence on the video suggests he isnt.  I see youths like this all the time, these days they really think they can say and do what they want with no consequences.  People that attempt this kind of stuff and get thrown on their face are hopefully going to learn a lesson that they cant do that.

For the people saying it was handled wrong, what is the correct way to handle it? The passenger has plenty of chances to pay/prove he has paid already/leave the train and refuses all of them?  The ticket collector has asked him for a ticket or to leave.....which is all he can do.  His next step is to call for security or police to remove the passenger, he didnt ask the other passenger to do it for him.

-Excuse me sonny, this is the wrong ticket, do you have one for going the other way?
#No, I have two singles going the same way, the ticket booth guy made a mistake
-Do you have the receipt on you please?
#Yes I do, here it is.
-Thank you. It does indeed look like he made an error. I do apologise for this. Please present the receipt with your ticket if stopped at the destination and explain to them the same way you did to me.
#Thanks.
[walks away]

or
Start shouting at the guy, embarass him, wonder why he swears back, give him a drubbing about the other passengers to further embarass him, then start a tag team on him with some Bandit to manhandle him off the train.

 

[Boba Fett]

Might have some sympathy for him if he is genuinely a decent guy that bought a ticket and just gave the wrong ticket however the evidence on the video suggests he isnt.  I see youths like this all the time, these days they really think they can say and do what they want with no consequences.  People that attempt this kind of stuff and get thrown on their face are hopefully going to learn a lesson that they cant do that.

For the people saying it was handled wrong, what is the correct way to handle it? The passenger has plenty of chances to pay/prove he has paid already/leave the train and refuses all of them?  The ticket collector has asked him for a ticket or to leave.....which is all he can do.  His next step is to call for security or police to remove the passenger, he didnt ask the other passenger to do it for him.

-Excuse me sonny, this is the wrong ticket, do you have one for going the other way?
#No, I have two singles going the same way, the ticket booth guy made a mistake
-Do you have the receipt on you please?
#Yes I do, here it is.
-Thank you. It does indeed look like he made an error. I do apologise for this. Please present the receipt with your ticket if stopped at the destination and explain to them the same way you did to me.
#Thanks.
[walks away]

or
Start shouting at the guy, embarass him, wonder why he swears back, give him a drubbing about the other passengers to further embarass him, then start a tag team on him with some Bandit to manhandle him off the train.

 

OK maybe I missed the part he said he had 2 singles or showed 2 singles.  From the video it looks like he has 1 single.

[ManuelsMum]

Might have some sympathy for him if he is genuinely a decent guy that bought a ticket and just gave the wrong ticket however the evidence on the video suggests he isnt.  I see youths like this all the time, these days they really think they can say and do what they want with no consequences.  People that attempt this kind of stuff and get thrown on their face are hopefully going to learn a lesson that they cant do that.

For the people saying it was handled wrong, what is the correct way to handle it? The passenger has plenty of chances to pay/prove he has paid already/leave the train and refuses all of them?  The ticket collector has asked him for a ticket or to leave.....which is all he can do.  His next step is to call for security or police to remove the passenger, he didnt ask the other passenger to do it for him.

-Excuse me sonny, this is the wrong ticket, do you have one for going the other way?
#No, I have two singles going the same way, the ticket booth guy made a mistake
-Do you have the receipt on you please?
#Yes I do, here it is.
-Thank you. It does indeed look like he made an error. I do apologise for this. Please present the receipt with your ticket if stopped at the destination and explain to them the same way you did to me.
#Thanks.
[walks away]

or
Start shouting at the guy, embarass him, wonder why he swears back, give him a drubbing about the other passengers to further embarass him, then start a tag team on him with some Bandit to manhandle him off the train.

 

OK maybe I missed the part he said he had 2 singles or showed 2 singles.  From the video it looks like he has 1 single.

There was a five minute exchange between them before the camera was switched on, maybe it all happened there. The nedjectee has since been on camera explaining what went on, (coming across as a bit of a saint tbh) but he does insist that he was given two singles by mistake and would have bought another ticket if given the opportunity (does look like the inspector is being a bit draconian with him and just wants him aff to be fair). He may be lying about the other single, unlikely though since he knows it'll all come out in the court action.
On second viewing, I tend to see the whole exchange a bit more dynamically, the inspector is being pretty antagonistic and hostile, people tend to react badly when treated like crap, especially when they believe themselves to be in the right.
Feel a bit sorry for the inspector too, some people just get like that when they're old: bitter and belligerent.

[millidonk]

I think the guy in the original video itt is a massive hero, this is what a massive twat looks like IMO (the guy doing the pushing Obv)

[AndrewT]

The complaints against Big Man are exactly the reason why few people stand up to anti-social scrotes on public transport. (Though in London there is also the added factor that doing so is liable to get you shanked).

I'm like Nostrodamus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-16229921

[Rod Paradise]

Scotrail investigation shows the student was wrongly sold 2 singles Polmont-Edinburgh instead of one each way according to the Scottish press today.

[ManuelsMum]

Scotrail investigation shows the student was wrongly sold 2 singles Polmont-Edinburgh instead of one each way according to the Scottish press today.

Allegations of a pre-video trip attempt also. Not sure what the charge is but looks like the woolly hatted ned may get prosecuted too.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/investigations-reveal-student-was-sold-wrong-ticket.16216486

[Rod Paradise]

Scotrail investigation shows the student was wrongly sold 2 singles Polmont-Edinburgh instead of one each way according to the Scottish press today.

Allegations of a pre-video trip attempt also. Not sure what the charge is but looks like the woolly hatted ned may get prosecuted too.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/investigations-reveal-student-was-sold-wrong-ticket.16216486

1 fact, countered by an allegation that wasn't made during the whole furore..... sounds like they're trying to make the case against the lad worse to cover for Scotrail's mistakes to me.

BTW can we please stop calling him a ned? He's nowhere near a ned & doesn't have a neddy accent if he was a ned the 'Big Man' wouldn't have laid a hand on him.

[MintTrav]

At least all of this meant I learnt a new word - never heard of a 'ned' before.

It's obviously a Scottish thing but it was being used freely on lots of non-Scottish news forums last week - for the first time, I suspect, in some cases.

[ManuelsMum]

At least all of this meant I learnt a new word - never heard of a 'ned' before.

It's obviously a Scottish thing but it was being used freely on lots of non-Scottish news forums last week - for the first time, I suspect, in some cases.

One folk etymology for Ned is that it stands for "Non-Educated Delinquent," a backronym which arose long after the word "ned" came into use.[14] In 2003, the Scottish Socialist Party MSP Rosie Kane tabled a question to the Scottish Parliament condemning use of the word "ned", which she said was degrading and insulting to young people as it stood for non-educated delinquent.

''''
I'm liking 'backronym'!

[Somerled]

Looks like "big man" has been charged with assault.

[Acidmouse]

Looks like "big man" has been charged with assault.

hes one of the men of the year in the sun today