Title: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: pleno1 on December 23, 2011, 09:17:21 PM Faraz Jaka moves all-in from under the gun for 68,000 and Vanessa Rousso then raises to 120,000. Joe Tehan then asks Rousso how much she has behind and proceeds to move all-in. Rousso looks around and says "Five handed, I don't think I can fold this." She turns to Jaka and asks "How do you feel about this?". Jaka replies with "I am just having fun watching." Rousso then announces call and they turn over: Jaka - AA Rousso - QQ Tehan - 42 The flop comes down 964 and Jaka maintains his lead with Rousso still ahead in the side pot. However, the turn is the 4 and suddenly Tehan has a huge lead. The river is the 10 and Tehan knocks both players out with trip fours. With 12 players remaining and now in the money, play has concluded for the day. Tehan - 1,142,000 ______ Not sure of blinds.....but Vanessa started with 300k total (and had already put in 120k) and had around average stack (several were shorter). Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: Dubai on December 23, 2011, 09:22:10 PM Yeah its lol bad. 28 pages of nothing
Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: titaniumbean on December 23, 2011, 09:42:01 PM 24 call is good BECAUSE HE WON
you gotta learn dem live poker skillz pleeeeno. Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: pleno1 on December 23, 2011, 10:16:51 PM 24 call is good BECAUSE HE WON he jammed u lol bad live pro run bad over 17 tournamnets fishyou gotta learn dem live poker skillz pleeeeno. Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: cambridgealex on December 23, 2011, 10:24:50 PM cliffs of the discussion?
what's to discuss anyway? Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: titaniumbean on December 23, 2011, 10:28:35 PM 24 call is good BECAUSE HE WON he jammed u lol bad live pro run bad over 17 tournamnets fishyou gotta learn dem live poker skillz pleeeeno. jam= aggressive call. 42o outplayed dem overpair fishes. RISKING IT ALL ON WAN PAIR ONRY. FEWWWWLS Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: Solaris on December 23, 2011, 10:39:54 PM Now I'm not the greatest player in the world, but Rousso's explanation of the hand was mind-boggling imo.
She said she raised in order to be able to fold. She said she felt she was really, really good at live tells and wanted the chance to be able to get away from the hand. Given that, when the biggest stack at the table shoves, why is it she then says, "well I wasn't intending on folding this hand, I call"? Despite Tehan showing down a complete pile of filth, if you were ever going to put in 40% of your stack with the notion that you can actually fold QQ in that spot (lol?) surely when the biggest stack re-shoves you should actually be folding? It's not as if she snapped him off so she clearly wasn't trying to induce. I'm just confused full stop. Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: titaniumbean on December 23, 2011, 10:42:07 PM Now I'm not the greatest player in the world, but Rousso's explanation of the hand was mind-boggling imo. She said she raised in order to be able to fold. She said she felt she was really, really good at live tells and wanted the chance to be able to get away from the hand. Given that, when the biggest stack at the table shoves, why is it she then says, "well I wasn't intending on folding this hand, I call"? Despite Tehan showing down a complete pile of filth, if you were ever going to put in 40% of your stack with the notion that you can actually fold QQ in that spot (lol?) surely when the biggest stack re-shoves you should actually be folding? It's not as if she snapped him off so she clearly wasn't trying to induce. I'm just confused full stop. live poker met, don't try and understand it. Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: pleno1 on December 23, 2011, 11:30:27 PM Now I'm not the greatest player in the world, but Rousso's explanation of the hand was mind-boggling imo. She said she raised in order to be able to fold. She said she felt she was really, really good at live tells and wanted the chance to be able to get away from the hand. Given that, when the biggest stack at the table shoves, why is it she then says, "well I wasn't intending on folding this hand, I call"? Despite Tehan showing down a complete pile of filth, if you were ever going to put in 40% of your stack with the notion that you can actually fold QQ in that spot (lol?) surely when the biggest stack re-shoves you should actually be folding? It's not as if she snapped him off so she clearly wasn't trying to induce. I'm just confused full stop. I understand the logic completely, however it is complete bollocks. Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: Boba Fett on December 24, 2011, 01:35:12 AM Only 5 pages for me, about half a page of "wtf is he thinking? how can this be profitable?" and 4.5 pages of how terrible Tehan is and how he could just be a scammer by selling pieces at markup for these tourneys knowing how bad he is.
Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: Solaris on December 24, 2011, 01:58:49 AM Now I'm not the greatest player in the world, but Rousso's explanation of the hand was mind-boggling imo. She said she raised in order to be able to fold. She said she felt she was really, really good at live tells and wanted the chance to be able to get away from the hand. Given that, when the biggest stack at the table shoves, why is it she then says, "well I wasn't intending on folding this hand, I call"? Despite Tehan showing down a complete pile of filth, if you were ever going to put in 40% of your stack with the notion that you can actually fold QQ in that spot (lol?) surely when the biggest stack re-shoves you should actually be folding? It's not as if she snapped him off so she clearly wasn't trying to induce. I'm just confused full stop. I understand the logic completely, however it is complete bollocks. When you say you understand the logic, is it fair to assume that you "understand the logic" were she to either snap call or snap fold? I find it bizarre that any pro could raise to 40% of their stack with QQ and consider folding. Would love to hear one of you guys explain that to me (assuming I'm completely wrong). Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: skolsuper on December 24, 2011, 02:53:27 AM Even when I'm trying to induce someone I don't snap them off. Why let them know? Plus I don't ever snap anything when the decisions are worth tens of thousands
Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: Boba Fett on December 24, 2011, 06:57:36 AM Now I'm not the greatest player in the world, but Rousso's explanation of the hand was mind-boggling imo. She said she raised in order to be able to fold. She said she felt she was really, really good at live tells and wanted the chance to be able to get away from the hand. Given that, when the biggest stack at the table shoves, why is it she then says, "well I wasn't intending on folding this hand, I call"? Despite Tehan showing down a complete pile of filth, if you were ever going to put in 40% of your stack with the notion that you can actually fold QQ in that spot (lol?) surely when the biggest stack re-shoves you should actually be folding? It's not as if she snapped him off so she clearly wasn't trying to induce. I'm just confused full stop. I understand the logic completely, however it is complete bollocks. When you say you understand the logic, is it fair to assume that you "understand the logic" were she to either snap call or snap fold? I find it bizarre that any pro could raise to 40% of their stack with QQ and consider folding. Would love to hear one of you guys explain that to me (assuming I'm completely wrong). Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: cambridgealex on December 24, 2011, 11:52:54 AM Even when I'm trying to induce someone I don't snap them off. Why let them know? Plus I don't ever snap anything when the decisions are worth tens of thousands rotflmfao Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: DMorgan on December 24, 2011, 04:03:13 PM I'm not gunna work it out myself, I'm sure someone on 2p2 somewhere has worked out how often she needs to fold for this to be +EV. When he folds though, Tehan is almost freerolling vs Jaka's hand with the size of the side pot.
fwiw I reckon Rousso is smart enough to be playing dumb here Open jamming the AA for 18 bigs is probably the worst play in this hand Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: smashedagain on December 24, 2011, 04:31:02 PM I'm not gunna work it out myself, I'm sure someone on 2p2 somewhere has worked out how often she needs to fold for this to be +EV. When he folds though, Tehan is almost freerolling vs Jaka's hand with the size of the side pot. yes the last thing he wants is trying to get a triple up holding AA. Least a min raise allows him to get away from the hand pre. As played.... Unlucky. Happy christmas.fwiw I reckon Rousso is smart enough to be playing dumb here Open jamming the AA for 18 bigs is probably the worst play in this hand Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: DMorgan on December 24, 2011, 05:20:05 PM I think we have our next Monte Carlo final table commentator ^^
Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: SuuPRlim on December 24, 2011, 05:25:53 PM Even when I'm trying to induce someone I don't snap them off. Why let them know? Plus I don't ever snap anything when the decisions are worth tens of thousands if I had a £1 for everytime i'd made a plan, snap acted it act then realised I was a complete fucking melon afterwards I'd be putting Keys into $10k(s) Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: smashedagain on December 24, 2011, 05:57:18 PM I think we have our next Monte Carlo final table commentator ^^ Missed the :) off that post dan sorry. Million I'm ever gonna be invited and thankfully unless my arsehole heals up million I'm gonna have to listen to someone telling me how bad Rastafish, Wadey, Fraser, Julian and Alex are because they don't understand ICM :)Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: GreekStein on December 25, 2011, 10:44:47 AM Even when I'm trying to induce someone I don't snap them off. Why let them know? Plus I don't ever snap anything when the decisions are worth tens of thousands So you reraise someone with Aces or Kings, they ship it and you give them a sweat? :P Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: CAI on December 29, 2011, 04:43:08 PM Someone posted on the 2+2 thread, almost word for word an interview with Joe about another hand.
Some articulate analysis from Joe Tehan here. -Hows everything going Joe? your still hanging in there! J.T.:"Ya, I'm hanging in-ummm I-I dunno-i made a- kind of a- I was gambling against the grinder, uhh and I made a big call against him." -What happend there tell me? J.T.:"Umm, It was like, i dunno it probably wasn't the best of calls but like uh, Luckychewy raised and grinder went in for like i don't know 130k at 4 and 8, so like i don't know, i don't know how much that is. But you know, its enough like and i'm in the big blind and I have King Six of hearts, like i should normally fold but its weird like in these situations like even if i'm taking slightly the worst of it like you know he had ace 3 so im like you know not even 60 um i have like over 40 percent chance of winning and you know getting a huge payjump. So I mean its a gamble, i know I'm like, I know im probably never have him dominated or anything, but its just a gamble, taking a shot, taking a shot at taking a payjump and now i'm playing 3handed with these guys. I'm feeling great you know. Uhh, Ya, i don't know. I'm just tossing some chips around. I mean they both have a lot of chips, but I'm still in there, feeling good." hahahahaha :D Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: MTT DESTROYER on December 29, 2011, 06:36:11 PM And now two pages on Blonde...
Title: Re: 28 pages on 2p2.. Post by: Boba Fett on December 30, 2011, 04:15:35 AM Someone posted on the 2+2 thread, almost word for word an interview with Joe about another hand. Think this was the main reason is went so many pages, after this quote some guy accused him of stealing by selling at a markup when he is clearly clueless lolSome articulate analysis from Joe Tehan here. -Hows everything going Joe? your still hanging in there! J.T.:"Ya, I'm hanging in-ummm I-I dunno-i made a- kind of a- I was gambling against the grinder, uhh and I made a big call against him." -What happend there tell me? J.T.:"Umm, It was like, i dunno it probably wasn't the best of calls but like uh, Luckychewy raised and grinder went in for like i don't know 130k at 4 and 8, so like i don't know, i don't know how much that is. But you know, its enough like and i'm in the big blind and I have King Six of hearts, like i should normally fold but its weird like in these situations like even if i'm taking slightly the worst of it like you know he had ace 3 so im like you know not even 60 um i have like over 40 percent chance of winning and you know getting a huge payjump. So I mean its a gamble, i know I'm like, I know im probably never have him dominated or anything, but its just a gamble, taking a shot, taking a shot at taking a payjump and now i'm playing 3handed with these guys. I'm feeling great you know. Uhh, Ya, i don't know. I'm just tossing some chips around. I mean they both have a lot of chips, but I'm still in there, feeling good." hahahahaha :D |