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Title: deals with mates
Post by: leethefish on January 02, 2012, 10:24:45 AM
OK so player a and b agree 10% ........... player a busts early and re-enters

both make final table and change to 25%

player b busts (no cash)

player a wins the tourney....

what happens to the re-entry buy in

split 50/50?
player a loses out the extra buy in?
or take off the re-entry then divide the 25%?

thanks all.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 02, 2012, 10:29:18 AM
Chop after stake back right


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Raman on January 02, 2012, 10:30:32 AM
Yeah take stake back and then chop seems like the fairest thing.

Why would u consider 50/50?


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Royal Flush on January 02, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
You pay 25% of the amount you cashed for.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: JK on January 02, 2012, 10:38:51 AM
25% of profit imo


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: leethefish on January 02, 2012, 10:42:33 AM
Yeah take stake back and then chop seems like the fairest thing.

Why would u consider 50/50?
50/50 on the re-entry fee not the winnings!


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Eck on January 02, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
You pay 25% of the amount you cashed for.

This: they swapped a percentage.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Girgy85 on January 02, 2012, 11:40:11 AM
You pay 25% of the amount you cashed for.

This: they swapped a percentage.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: smashedagain on January 02, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
I would expect player A to give B 25% of the total win but if I was B I wOuld not be against giving A half of the rE entry back as a goodwill gesture.

Sort this all out before hand IMO


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: George2Loose on January 02, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
I would expect player A to give B 25% of the total win but if I was B I wOuld not be against giving A half of the rE entry back as a goodwill gesture.

Sort this all out before hand IMO

This. If u did not specify this then he is under no obligation but as Ur mate and as u won I would split the cost but u should discuss it beforehand


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Karabiner on January 02, 2012, 01:17:58 PM
What if it's a min-cash which doesn't even cover the cost of the cashing player's buys in?


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: leethefish on January 02, 2012, 01:31:02 PM
I would expect player A to give B 25% of the total win but if I was B I wOuld not be against giving A half of the rE entry back as a goodwill gesture.

Sort this all out before hand IMO
this is key obv


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Cf on January 02, 2012, 03:05:38 PM
I would say that in general, once player A busts early then player B has lost his % as player A has won nothing.

If Player A wants to re-enter then he does that with his own money, and player B has no %. It's not like player A is freerolling here or anything as he's had to pay a whole second buyin. It's essentially a whole different person entering the tournament.

In the case as described though as both players have reaffirmed 25% I think the fairest thing to do is for A to give 25% of the cash over, and B to give him half of the buyin back so that both players have paid the same amount to enter the tournament. B isn't under any obligation to do this though, but I think it'd be the decent thing to do.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: taximan007 on January 02, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
Best not to have any mates imo  ;)


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: zerofive on January 02, 2012, 04:11:56 PM
What if it's a min-cash which doesn't even cover the cost of the cashing player's buys in?

Best thing about deals with friends, rather than business partners. If I swapped 10%, would never ask for any of a min cash.

I would expect player A to give B 25% of the total win but if I was B I wOuld not be against giving A half of the rE entry back as a goodwill gesture.

Smashedagain absolutely spot on itt


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Wardy84 on January 02, 2012, 05:32:33 PM
Ok not sure what tournament you are talking about but if we use the dtd deepstack as an example. If we swap 10% on the friday and I bust but then buy back in on the saturday surely the 10% is now dead?

In your example I would say that 25% is owed as this was agreed at the final.

As said earlier best to sort this out before as it is going to be highly likely someone will be re-entering in a re-entry tourney.

P.S. Surely u didn't win a comp Lee!!


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: George2Loose on January 02, 2012, 05:43:08 PM
Ok not sure what tournament you are talking about but if we use the dtd deepstack as an example. If we swap 10% on the friday and I bust but then buy back in on the saturday surely the 10% is now dead?

In your example I would say that 25% is owed as this was agreed at the final.

As said earlier best to sort this out before as it is going to be highly likely someone will be re-entering in a re-entry tourney.

P.S. Surely u didn't win a comp Lee!!

Apparently he flopped 8 sets, got aces 16 times. One for the nits!


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: smashedagain on January 02, 2012, 06:13:39 PM
Ok not sure what tournament you are talking about but if we use the dtd deepstack as an example. If we swap 10% on the friday and I bust but then buy back in on the saturday surely the 10% is now dead?

In your example I would say that 25% is owed as this was agreed at the final.

As said earlier best to sort this out before as it is going to be highly likely someone will be re-entering in a re-entry tourney.

P.S. Surely u didn't win a comp Lee!!

Apparently he flopped 8 sets, got aces 16 times. One for the nits!
Lol and is it you arguing with him over the re entry?


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: George2Loose on January 02, 2012, 06:23:30 PM
Ok not sure what tournament you are talking about but if we use the dtd deepstack as an example. If we swap 10% on the friday and I bust but then buy back in on the saturday surely the 10% is now dead?

In your example I would say that 25% is owed as this was agreed at the final.

As said earlier best to sort this out before as it is going to be highly likely someone will be re-entering in a re-entry tourney.

P.S. Surely u didn't win a comp Lee!!

Apparently he flopped 8 sets, got aces 16 times. One for the nits!
Lol and is it you arguing with him over the re entry?

Says "mates" in the title Herbie. So not me


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: smashedagain on January 02, 2012, 06:27:03 PM
Ok not sure what tournament you are talking about but if we use the dtd deepstack as an example. If we swap 10% on the friday and I bust but then buy back in on the saturday surely the 10% is now dead?

In your example I would say that 25% is owed as this was agreed at the final.

As said earlier best to sort this out before as it is going to be highly likely someone will be re-entering in a re-entry tourney.

P.S. Surely u didn't win a comp Lee!!

Apparently he flopped 8 sets, got aces 16 times. One for the nits!
Lol and is it you arguing with him over the re entry?

Says "mates" in the title Herbie. So not me
Lol.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: leethefish on January 02, 2012, 06:44:45 PM
Just random Dan it clearly states in op player a and player b!!


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Wardy84 on January 02, 2012, 07:00:42 PM
Just random Dan it clearly states in op player a and player b!!

Sorry u winning the comp, I agree what a silly comment for me to make. haha


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: LIONRAMPANT on January 03, 2012, 10:26:14 AM
I would expect player A to give B 25% of the total win but if I was B I wOuld not be against giving A half of the rE entry back as a goodwill gesture.

Sort this all out before hand IMO


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: paulhouk03 on January 03, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
pretty sure if they were real mates it would be sorted pretty easily

or are they just gambling mates?


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: George2Loose on January 03, 2012, 09:15:02 PM
pretty sure if they were real mates it would be sorted pretty easily

or are they just gambling mates?


deffo gambling mates. Doesn't help that they're both massive nits


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 04, 2012, 12:11:15 AM
You give mate 25% of the cash and go for a steak together full of the joys of spring. The re-entry buy-in is too ghey to mention, esp at the dinner table.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: Royal Flush on January 04, 2012, 10:07:41 AM
pretty sure if they were real mates it would be sorted pretty easily

or are they just gambling mates?


Pretty sure it's the opposite, gamblers know how it's is. Non gamblers are the ones who get confused.


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: welsh1980 on January 04, 2012, 10:48:12 AM
So if you never made the cash then the player who re-entered then makes the ft do you expect him to give out %%% for free???????????


Title: Re: deals with mates
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 04, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
So if you never made the cash then the player who re-entered then makes the ft do you expect him to give out %%% for free???????????

Nah, once you get knocked out the % swap deal is history. If you re-enter and propose a new % swap deal at ft that's a completely seperate entity to the deal you had before.