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Title: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 22, 2012, 02:40:13 AM So were 5 handed eff stacks are €1200 I open cutoff with Jc 9c €15 villan 3bets €34 Blinds fold, I call flop 9h6h2c I check call €48 turn is the 8c I thought of leading here but ive played a little with him before and he likes to barrel alot and push his thin value hands turn he bets €140 I CR to €335 thoughts? seeing as sometimes im good when he has say AhXh and other heart draws and im planning on check calling sum rivers also bluffing some 2 i felt this was the best line, If he 3bet shoves im in a tough spot but i didnt expect that much at all. I think by raising this turn i get a bunch of better hands on the river to fold. He calls river is the 5c thoughts here now as ive actually got there and what my sizing should be? theres $843 He has like €785
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: muckthenuts on January 22, 2012, 09:43:38 AM Oh yes a standard runner runner mathew perry hand history! Why is shoving not standard here?
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: GreekStein on January 22, 2012, 09:44:26 AM shove?
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 22, 2012, 10:49:59 AM wow this is a train wreck mate sorry.
3x pre, fold to the 3bet, you jyst said he barrels alot so life isnt going to be easy and so deep we have a hand with alot of reverse implieds and just in general i dnt like calling 3bets oop witg this situ/dynamic. Flop is a clear c/call as played. Altho c/r flop, bet turn, jam river would get alot of folds and we have some favourable run outs.. Hearts, 9s, j, cc. Ott its a clear c/c as played as if he jams wea re fooooollllll and we had tpbk and fd. I just call turn and fold any non j/9 d/s river. Leading h rivers and c/jamming club rivers. As played otr, jam obv Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 22, 2012, 03:49:10 PM yh +1 Pleno I don't like any of it.
Should 100% fold to the 3bet preflop, unless you have sick info and think the guy plays awful post flop, would be different if he was in the blinds. I think the turn is pretty bad c/r when it's impossible to call a 3bet (most likely a jam) unless you have reads/history you're not sharing, we have a strong bluff catcher + decent pot equity vs even hands from the top of his range (AA,KK.) I think folding the turn would be a better play than check/raising personally as we're repping practically nothing super nutted (88, maybe 99 but we ofc raise that a decent % OTF, 66 we should be folding to the 3bet pf most of the time and T7 seems ridiculous unless its Th 7h but we should never call that pre and would raise it OTF a high %) basically we make him fold AK/AQ/KQ etc with no hearts and he continues perfectly with all OP's and Ahrt Kh, Ahrt Qh etc which has good equity vs us anyway. If he jams we've burnt a decent chunk of equity when we have to fold. Now you've miracled you're way out of the situation its an easy jam for me as you continue to rep nothing aside from maybe 99 and 88 and he isn't going to call AK/AQ hearts but will almost certainly call QQ+ given how it seems pretty unlikely you have a flush. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 22, 2012, 05:04:42 PM I am never ever folding to 3bet for €19 more in this spot being 200bbs deep that would be a trainwreck in my opinion! if he makes it a standard sizing like 45 i fold obv...
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 22, 2012, 05:10:55 PM I am never ever folding to 3bet for €19 more in this spot being 200bbs deep that would be a trainwreck in my opinion! if he makes it a standard sizing like 45 i fold obv... You're just going get owned though. gl sitting oin the right if any good player Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 22, 2012, 06:01:23 PM yh +1 Pleno I don't like any of it. Should 100% fold to the 3bet preflop, unless you have sick info and think the guy plays awful post flop, would be different if he was in the blinds. I think the turn is pretty bad c/r when it's impossible to call a 3bet (most likely a jam) unless you have reads/history you're not sharing, we have a strong bluff catcher + decent pot equity vs even hands from the top of his range (AA,KK.) I think folding the turn would be a better play than check/raising personally as we're repping practically nothing super nutted (88, maybe 99 but we ofc raise that a decent % OTF, 66 we should be folding to the 3bet pf most of the time and T7 seems ridiculous unless its Th 7h but we should never call that pre and would raise it OTF a high %) basically we make him fold AK/AQ/KQ etc with no hearts and he continues perfectly with all OP's and Ahrt Kh, Ahrt Qh etc which has good equity vs us anyway. If he jams we've burnt a decent chunk of equity when we have to fold. Now you've miracled you're way out of the situation its an easy jam for me as you continue to rep nothing aside from maybe 99 and 88 and he isn't going to call AK/AQ hearts but will almost certainly call QQ+ given how it seems pretty unlikely you have a flush. I Think I have a bigger value range here than u say above, 22 I fold but 66 99 88 98s 97s I call 107s im folding. Yeh and I agree on the turn we dnt get much to fold but I said I didnt expect to in my orginal OP. On the river im jamming most misses probably any heart rivers, With such a small 3bet pre I think he shows up on the river with overpairs less often I do probably hav mre history with this guy than said he seems competent but I believe I have a edge. As we got there I didnt love jamming as we get way too many hands in his range to fold plus we can find some bluff raises from him on the river been as it looks like a bad card for my range. I mean these games are on icrogaming and they are alot less nitty than stars games and have alot more action it seems. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 22, 2012, 06:43:26 PM i call 22 before i call j9
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 22, 2012, 09:11:22 PM i call 22 before i call j9 No Way J-9s Plays way better than 22 Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: Pugwashed on January 22, 2012, 10:49:26 PM J9 sooted > 22 here imo, the 3bet is small enough that calling seems ok (even if it is bad its only a little bit bad)
Flop is standard. On the turn anything other than check/call seems kinda bad imo, with 2 flush draws I don't expect him to be making many big folds. As played jamming seems standard when you have <pot Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 23, 2012, 03:43:46 AM yh +1 Pleno I don't like any of it. Should 100% fold to the 3bet preflop, unless you have sick info and think the guy plays awful post flop, would be different if he was in the blinds. I think the turn is pretty bad c/r when it's impossible to call a 3bet (most likely a jam) unless you have reads/history you're not sharing, we have a strong bluff catcher + decent pot equity vs even hands from the top of his range (AA,KK.) I think folding the turn would be a better play than check/raising personally as we're repping practically nothing super nutted (88, maybe 99 but we ofc raise that a decent % OTF, 66 we should be folding to the 3bet pf most of the time and T7 seems ridiculous unless its Th 7h but we should never call that pre and would raise it OTF a high %) basically we make him fold AK/AQ/KQ etc with no hearts and he continues perfectly with all OP's and Ahrt Kh, Ahrt Qh etc which has good equity vs us anyway. If he jams we've burnt a decent chunk of equity when we have to fold. Now you've miracled you're way out of the situation its an easy jam for me as you continue to rep nothing aside from maybe 99 and 88 and he isn't going to call AK/AQ hearts but will almost certainly call QQ+ given how it seems pretty unlikely you have a flush. I Think I have a bigger value range here than u say above, 22 I fold but 66 99 88 98s 97s I call 107s im folding. Yeh and I agree on the turn we dnt get much to fold but I said I didnt expect to in my orginal OP. On the river im jamming most misses probably any heart rivers, With such a small 3bet pre I think he shows up on the river with overpairs less often I do probably hav mre history with this guy than said he seems competent but I believe I have a edge. As we got there I didnt love jamming as we get way too many hands in his range to fold plus we can find some bluff raises from him on the river been as it looks like a bad card for my range. I mean these games are on icrogaming and they are alot less nitty than stars games and have alot more action it seems. 66 and 97s are terrible peels PF imo, 88 and 99 ok as they do slightly better vs his air. 98s is defo better to fold but wouldn't be a woeful peel (defo better than J9s imo given we can expect this villain to be 3betting a good (wide-ish) value range KJs, AJs etc.) The reat of the post I don't really understand. the guy has 75% pot left and you think he has a range that peels the turn and bluff jams the river? Seems mental to me but I don't play NLHE online so not best placed to comment. Seems to me OTR you're repping a really strong, narrow range (but you bizarrely have a better hand than he expects you to have) regardless though he is almost certainly going to be bluff catching vs your range OTR (unless he somehow has a flush as well) and given how you're bet sizing is prolly not going to influence his decision to call OTR so much as when he called the turn he should be well aware that there is >1PSB back for the river so part of his thought process would have been whether he is prepared to bluff catch vs a river jam, so in a spot where I don't see the bet-sizing playing to much influence over his decision (inelastic calling range as Rob would say - although I don't think he is totally inelastic here) you will ALWAYS show more profit by betting as much as big as you reasonably can Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: lolwutwasthat on January 23, 2012, 08:16:37 PM if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: lolwutwasthat on January 23, 2012, 08:17:06 PM p.s without being rude that is :)
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: cambridgealex on January 23, 2012, 08:29:54 PM if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits p.s without being rude that is :) in other words "NO OFFENCE, but you're shit" Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 25, 2012, 11:55:26 PM lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with Qh Th So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea.....
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 25, 2012, 11:57:34 PM if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits what limits do you play? Strong statement.... Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 26, 2012, 12:16:18 AM lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with Qh Th So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea..... what my sizing should be? theres $843 He has like €785 ahhhhhhhhh thats why, the old dollar, euro trick. What you like huh? ;) :D :P Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: sm00035 on January 26, 2012, 12:43:41 AM So were 5 handed eff stacks are €1200 I open cutoff with Jc 9c €15 villan 3bets €34 Blinds fold, I call flop 9h6h2c I check call €48 turn is the 8c I thought of leading here but ive played a little with him before and he likes to barrel alot and push his thin value hands turn he bets €140 I CR to €335 thoughts? seeing as sometimes im good when he has say AhXh and other heart draws and im planning on check calling sum rivers also bluffing some 2 i felt this was the best line, If he 3bet shoves im in a tough spot but i didnt expect that much at all. I think by raising this turn i get a bunch of better hands on the river to fold. He calls river is the 5c thoughts here now as ive actually got there and what my sizing should be? theres $843 He has like €785 Hate your call pre, but post, I think it says a lot that I don't mind your play. I am probably bottam 20% of online cash players in the world. Obv check call the flop is standard, and I like check raising the turn but am defo check raising (check raise folding) turn more to like €380 just to make the river shove (shoving every river) more fluid being ~€740 into ~€933. Not sure the point of the post of asking what the river sizing should be, kind of feels like its going to turn into a bb post where he turns up with ATcc etc Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 26, 2012, 01:11:04 AM lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with Qh Th So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea..... Well this statement is just completely retarded. So the whole thread was a "i'm good enough to peel 3bets OOP with J9 and make sick river bets" brag was it? Thanks for wasting everyone's time pretending to want our opinions. You have been beating the games for a year (lol btw) you know best /thread. GL "crushing" when it doesn't come club club.... Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: skolsuper on January 26, 2012, 01:15:42 AM if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits what limits do you play? Strong statement.... troll on troll violence Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: sm00035 on January 26, 2012, 02:10:41 AM lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with Qh Th So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea..... Yeh it's really funny. Good job you did consider what to bet, I think that betting half pot is the only reason he went all in. Well played. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 26, 2012, 02:59:57 PM lmao I think its quite funny how much people pick hands apart that everythings bad but ive been beating these games for a year now. I bet half pot on the river and he jammed with Qh Th So I guess considering river sizing was a good idea..... Well this statement is just completely retarded. So the whole thread was a "i'm good enough to peel 3bets OOP with J9 and make sick river bets" brag was it? Thanks for wasting everyone's time pretending to want our opinions. You have been beating the games for a year (lol btw) you know best /thread. GL "crushing" when it doesn't come club club.... Thanks I probably need It after how bad i played this hand... I did get totaly different responses on another forum mind.... I think shoving the river is fine 2 but betting half pot with bluffs and value hands is defo something to consider here.... Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: Dubai on January 26, 2012, 03:15:39 PM Link to other forum obv needed
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: pleno1 on January 26, 2012, 03:49:35 PM Link to other forum obv needed Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 26, 2012, 05:51:17 PM Thanks I probably need It after how bad i played this hand... I did get totaly different responses on another forum mind.... I think shoving the river is fine 2 but betting half pot with bluffs and value hands is defo something to consider here.... I didn't say you played it badly. I said I think the call pre is far too loose and the turn c/r is non-optimal because we set fire to so much equity when (if he ever) jams - if you think he jams the turn never then great wp. not going to go into the river as you'll disagree with me and i cba but you obviously made a good vacuum decision so fine, wp What has tilted me about this thread is you have posted "asking" for everyone's opinions told us were wrong, you're a lot better and then bragged about how well you played the hand. Makes the time everyone spent offering their analysis completely pointless not to mention being pretty bad mannered. The thing i like about blonde PHA is that the in the high majority of threads, questions and people's opinions are set out in such a way that everyone, experienced, non-experienced, pro's and recreational players can all contribute together - I think it's a great tool that less experienced players get to discuss strategy with more experienced players. It's ultimately how you make that step up + improve (certainly how I did) and it's not without an upside for the more experienced player either, one of the most short-sighted and arrogant trends I see in poker is peole who don't think "worse" players than them can offer any benefit at all. I've learnt a lot about the game from people who I I might consider myself a better player than technically - this is why i refuse to post on 2+2 cos everyone is so fucking rude. But then, I prolly couldn't even beat 3-6nl online so best to take my opinions with a pinch of salt. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: Mondeoman on January 26, 2012, 06:48:05 PM Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small) I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on. It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart.
Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left. Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand. In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs. Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes. Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: George2Loose on January 26, 2012, 07:01:09 PM Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small) I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on. It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart. Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left. Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand. In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs. Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes. Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much. Interesting.... Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 26, 2012, 07:11:58 PM Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small) I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on. It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart. Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left. Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand. In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs. Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes. Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much. Interesting.... IDK if you're saying it's interesting because Keith has made a good, balanced post or because he has disagreed with a some other people, if it's the latter then I don't think it's especially interesting at all that Keith and other players have a different opinion. I think Keith is a fantastic player and i'd expect him to have opinions that differ from other players of all abilities. lolwutwasthat was very douchey in his move down stakes comment but the OP was equally as ridiculous in posting the answer to to the thread as, i've been beating the game im right your all wrong and whats more i find it funny how stupid you all are. for some reason this whole thread has tilted me into actually logging off blonde. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: Dubai on January 26, 2012, 07:15:03 PM Strip Club owners in Leeds rejoice
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: George2Loose on January 26, 2012, 07:43:57 PM Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small) I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on. It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart. Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left. Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand. In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs. Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes. Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much. Interesting.... IDK if you're saying it's interesting because Keith has made a good, balanced post or because he has disagreed with a some other people, if it's the latter then I don't think it's especially interesting at all that Keith and other players have a different opinion. I think Keith is a fantastic player and i'd expect him to have opinions that differ from other players of all abilities. lolwutwasthat was very douchey in his move down stakes comment but the OP was equally as ridiculous in posting the answer to to the thread as, i've been beating the game im right your all wrong and whats more i find it funny how stupid you all are. for some reason this whole thread has tilted me into actually logging off blonde. sorry lildave. Actually nothing to do with the thread, his post, and blonde at all. Just a private joke with Keith Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: Pugwashed on January 27, 2012, 01:22:49 AM Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left. Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand. In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs. I don't get why checking this river can be good, it seems like his range contains a ton of bluff catchers, some flushes, an occasional straight and some missed hearts. The only parts of his range that he might fold when we bet but bet when we check are hearts but surely we lose a ton of value by not making him bluff catch with his bluff catchers? Seem like river bet (even if its a shove or betting small to induce) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check here Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 27, 2012, 07:10:37 AM I didn't "brag" in anyway up untill the point of move down stakes comment I was actually enjoying the thread and most people's thoughts, Ive not once posted on here for any other reason but advice and peoples thoughts. I'm by no means great at poker maybe I did play the hand terrible for most that's why I posted it here but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me.....
Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 27, 2012, 09:14:52 AM but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me..... I would have been tilted by that as well in all fairness Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: Pinchop73 on January 27, 2012, 09:34:19 AM Especially coming from a live £0.5/1 reg. ;p
Nice thread. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 27, 2012, 11:08:47 AM Calling the 3 bet pre is good (esp as it is so small) I think if you're folding strong hands like j9s it's too exploitable to fold. Calling the flop is good. Raising the turn I hate as you pretty much fold out all his bluffs and potentially prevent yourself from seeing a river where you have 14 outs and also you have a draw you're opponent doesn't put you on. It's strongly in your interests to see a river not only for your outs but also you can bluff any heart. Having got to the river I think river sizing is important to consider and not enough players do consider this when they have less than river sized pot left. Sometimes I bet 90% of my stack on the river and it's surprising how often you get curious calls as opponents can't see why you wouldn't just shove a value hand. In this hand Im probably checking to raise as your opponent should be betting a lot of value hands and may continue on sone bluffs. Don't know the poster of the hand but think he might have got defensive as his question got treated by some as it was trivial and he got told rather dismissively to move down stakes. Obv the whole hand is a bit of a brag but as a self confessed bragger I guess it doesnt bother me too much. Interesting.... Yeh defensive is correct there was no need for that post. I'm exact the same on river with value hands I don't always just jam if I have a pot size bet left I think thinking of every option in Any given hand is always good. Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: ih8winning on January 27, 2012, 11:09:46 AM but "move down in stakes" because of 1 hand that tilted me..... I would have been tilted by that as well in all fairness +1 Title: Re: €3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing? Post by: lolwutwasthat on January 27, 2012, 03:19:17 PM hey fwiw it wasnt even me who posted the "move down limits" comment...i dont even really post in general and pretty much dont post on pha unless i know you personally...
But here is my insight to the hand. Raise pre, i think calling or folding the 3bet can go either way tbh. OTT i think we shud just c/c as we keep in all his bluffs, thinish value/protecion hands such as random 9x 87/67/8xhh/2xhh and just c/r AI on the river. As played its definately is just a shove as a range play, we are shoving most of our bluffs here so we should just jam our value hands. I think we got kind of lucky that he spazed, if hes a competant hand reader he should know that its supersuper hard for us to have complete air here in this spot which means were are probs only betting with the top of our range in which we are never folding in a 3bet pot. If you actually got offended then im sorry...i will try to keep my account logged off lol |