€3-6NL 6max On Microgaming network Turn Raise and river sizing?

[ih8winning]

So were 5 handed eff stacks are €1200 I open cutoff with €15 villan 3bets €34 Blinds fold, I call flop 9h6h2c I check call €48 turn is the I thought of leading here but ive played a little with him before and he likes to barrel alot and push his thin value hands turn he bets €140 I CR to €335 thoughts? seeing as sometimes im good when he has say AhXh and other heart draws and im planning on check calling sum rivers also bluffing some 2 i felt this was the best line, If he 3bet shoves im in a tough spot but i didnt expect that much at all. I think by raising this turn i get a bunch of better hands on the river to fold. He calls river is the thoughts here now as ive actually got there and what my sizing should be? theres $843 He has like €785

[muckthenuts]

Oh yes a standard runner runner mathew perry hand history! Why is shoving not standard here?

[GreekStein]

shove?

[pleno1]

wow this is a train wreck mate sorry.

3x pre, fold to the 3bet, you jyst said he barrels alot so life isnt going to be easy and so deep we have a hand with alot of reverse implieds and just in general i dnt like calling 3bets oop witg this situ/dynamic.

Flop is a clear c/call as played. Altho c/r flop, bet turn, jam river would get alot of folds and we have some favourable run outs.. Hearts, , j, cc.

Ott its a clear c/c as played as if he jams wea re fooooollllll and we had tpbk and fd. I just call turn and fold any non j/9 d/s river. Leading h rivers and c/jamming club rivers.

As played otr, jam obv

[SuuPRlim]

yh +1 Pleno I don't like any of it.

Should 100% fold to the 3bet preflop, unless you have sick info and think the guy plays awful post flop, would be different if he was in the blinds.

I think the turn is pretty bad c/r when it's impossible to call a 3bet (most likely a jam) unless you have reads/history you're not sharing, we have a strong bluff catcher + decent pot equity vs even hands from the top of his range (AA,KK.) I think folding the turn would be a better play than check/raising personally as we're repping practically nothing super nutted (88, maybe 99 but we ofc raise that a decent % OTF, 66 we should be folding to the 3bet pf most of the time and T7 seems ridiculous unless its but we should never call that pre and would raise it OTF a high %) basically we make him fold AK/AQ/KQ etc with no hearts and he continues perfectly with all OP's and , etc which has good equity vs us anyway. If he jams we've burnt a decent chunk of equity when we have to fold.

Now you've miracled you're way out of the situation its an easy jam for me as you continue to rep nothing aside from maybe 99 and 88 and he isn't going to call AK/AQ hearts but will almost certainly call QQ+ given how it seems pretty unlikely you have a flush.

[ih8winning]

I am never ever folding to 3bet for €19 more in this spot being 200bbs deep that would be a trainwreck in my opinion! if he makes it a standard sizing like 45 i fold obv...

[pleno1]

I am never ever folding to 3bet for €19 more in this spot being 200bbs deep that would be a trainwreck in my opinion! if he makes it a standard sizing like 45 i fold obv...

You're just going get owned though. gl sitting oin the right if any good player

[ih8winning]

yh +1 Pleno I don't like any of it.

Should 100% fold to the 3bet preflop, unless you have sick info and think the guy plays awful post flop, would be different if he was in the blinds.

I think the turn is pretty bad c/r when it's impossible to call a 3bet (most likely a jam) unless you have reads/history you're not sharing, we have a strong bluff catcher + decent pot equity vs even hands from the top of his range (AA,KK.) I think folding the turn would be a better play than check/raising personally as we're repping practically nothing super nutted (88, maybe 99 but we ofc raise that a decent % OTF, 66 we should be folding to the 3bet pf most of the time and T7 seems ridiculous unless its but we should never call that pre and would raise it OTF a high %) basically we make him fold AK/AQ/KQ etc with no hearts and he continues perfectly with all OP's and , etc which has good equity vs us anyway. If he jams we've burnt a decent chunk of equity when we have to fold.

Now you've miracled you're way out of the situation its an easy jam for me as you continue to rep nothing aside from maybe 99 and 88 and he isn't going to call AK/AQ hearts but will almost certainly call QQ+ given how it seems pretty unlikely you have a flush.

I Think I have a bigger value range here than u say above, 22 I fold but 66 99 88 98s 97s I call 107s im folding. Yeh and I agree on the turn we dnt get much to fold but I said I didnt expect to in my orginal OP. On the river im jamming most misses probably any heart rivers, With such a small 3bet pre I think he shows up on the river with overpairs less often I do probably hav mre history with this guy than said he seems competent but I believe I have a edge. As we got there I didnt love jamming as we get way too many hands in his range to fold plus we can find some bluff raises from him on the river been as it looks like a bad card for my range. I mean these games are on icrogaming and they are alot less nitty than stars games and have alot more action it seems.

[pleno1]

i call 22 before i call j9

[ih8winning]

i call 22 before i call j9

No Way J-9s Plays way better than 22

[Pugwashed]

J9 sooted > 22 here imo, the 3bet is small enough that calling seems ok (even if it is bad its only a little bit bad)

Flop is standard. On the turn anything other than check/call seems kinda bad imo, with 2 flush draws I don't expect him to be making many big folds. As played jamming seems standard when you have <pot

[SuuPRlim]

yh +1 Pleno I don't like any of it.

Should 100% fold to the 3bet preflop, unless you have sick info and think the guy plays awful post flop, would be different if he was in the blinds.

I think the turn is pretty bad c/r when it's impossible to call a 3bet (most likely a jam) unless you have reads/history you're not sharing, we have a strong bluff catcher + decent pot equity vs even hands from the top of his range (AA,KK.) I think folding the turn would be a better play than check/raising personally as we're repping practically nothing super nutted (88, maybe 99 but we ofc raise that a decent % OTF, 66 we should be folding to the 3bet pf most of the time and T7 seems ridiculous unless its but we should never call that pre and would raise it OTF a high %) basically we make him fold AK/AQ/KQ etc with no hearts and he continues perfectly with all OP's and , etc which has good equity vs us anyway. If he jams we've burnt a decent chunk of equity when we have to fold.

Now you've miracled you're way out of the situation its an easy jam for me as you continue to rep nothing aside from maybe 99 and 88 and he isn't going to call AK/AQ hearts but will almost certainly call QQ+ given how it seems pretty unlikely you have a flush.

I Think I have a bigger value range here than u say above, 22 I fold but 66 99 88 98s 97s I call 107s im folding. Yeh and I agree on the turn we dnt get much to fold but I said I didnt expect to in my orginal OP. On the river im jamming most misses probably any heart rivers, With such a small 3bet pre I think he shows up on the river with overpairs less often I do probably hav mre history with this guy than said he seems competent but I believe I have a edge. As we got there I didnt love jamming as we get way too many hands in his range to fold plus we can find some bluff raises from him on the river been as it looks like a bad card for my range. I mean these games are on icrogaming and they are alot less nitty than stars games and have alot more action it seems.

66 and 97s are terrible peels PF imo, 88 and 99 ok as they do slightly better vs his air.  98s is defo better to fold but wouldn't be a woeful peel (defo better than J9s imo given we can expect this villain to be 3betting a good (wide-ish) value range KJs, AJs etc.)

The reat of the post I don't really understand. the guy has 75% pot left and you think he has a range that peels the turn and bluff jams the river? Seems mental to me but I don't play NLHE online so not best placed to comment.

Seems to me OTR you're repping a really strong, narrow range (but you bizarrely have a better hand than he expects you to have) regardless though he is almost certainly going to be bluff catching vs your range OTR (unless he somehow has a flush as well) and given how you're bet sizing is prolly not going to influence his decision to call OTR so much as when he called the turn he should be well aware that there is >1PSB back for the river so part of his thought process would have been whether he is prepared to bluff catch vs a river jam, so in a spot where I don't see the bet-sizing playing to much influence over his decision (inelastic calling range as Rob would say - although I don't think he is totally inelastic here) you will ALWAYS show more profit by betting as much as big as you reasonably can

[lolwutwasthat]

if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits

[lolwutwasthat]

p.s without being rude that is

[cambridgealex]

if you even need to consider river sizing i suggest you move down limits

p.s without being rude that is

in other words "NO OFFENCE, but you're shit"