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Scotland  6/5 v England 5/6 England are sending out a inexperienced team players and coaching staff will they crack under pressure or play without fear
Scotland are not great at the moment but always raise there game against the English even more so at home.
so going for a Scotland win

Hills and Skybet are 11/8.
Looks like a Coin Toss to me.

Not a sport I follow but I do get a decent card for it and I know they really like Scotland +3 10/11 so 11/8 outright is probably value too.

PaddyPower are refunding losing try scorer bets if the last score in a game is a penalty.
I'd say that has some value for Scotland/England. :D

I think it'll be the England backlash today. Slated by everybody for the WC. Everybody says they have a massive rebuilding job ahead. Coaching team have this 6 nations as their job interview.
6 nations isn't really the target, it's a 4 year road to a home world cup. As a result I think the coaching team will want them to play some decent rugby and target 3+ wins and be competitive in the others.

Scotland 'A' beating England Saxons 35-0 last night is probably not a good omen.

Wish I'd had a little tickle on Italy at 25/1 before the game. France were terrible in the world cup even though they got to the final.

Going against grain- think English side far more talented and could win by 10+

Hope your right, I don't know what to make of them until I've seen them tbh.

2 of my school friends are pro rugby players and they both said England to me

Are they English by chance?  :D

Lol they ain't patriotic don't worry- just gave me their opinion

I've done England and Wales double

 ;sleep;

England are crap. Long rebuilding ahead

Terrible 1st half, so many mistakes.

HT Skybet Scotland 5/4 Eng 5/6

This is simply wrong, Scotland are odds on here

Scotland were 5-4 on bf at half time

Strange one, same price at Ht as sp.
If Scotland don't win this I don't know where to start.

England could struggle in Italy next week!

Game was there for the taking for Scotland but when you back these undeveloped nations in sport, pressure is factored into the price

Always good to keep your foot on the neck of the colonies by denying them a win no matter how shite the game  ;angel;

Think we can all agree, that despite the superior nation (in every respect) winning, those are two dreadful teams.

Awful game, two bad teams

Scotland should have buried England, who were terrible

Are you Scottish Tighty?

No.

just tight

Agreed. Parks, Clancy, Video Ref, silly mistakes when in the England 22 all combined to a narrow defeat when they should have won by with a bit in Hand.

Yeh pretty poor game did enough though. Think we played as much below ourselves as scotland so was probably a fair margin of victory.

awful game think scotland missed massive chance back to the books going to try £20 to £500 plus spends for the deepstack first bet man utd win v chelsea

George North looks a good bet for Top Tryscorer at 10/1 with VC. Wales are still looking very strong and have clear plans use him a lot as well as the skill players to ensure he has plenty of chances. Home games against Italy and Scotland to come and he has an incredible international tryscoring record so far, should be more like 6/1.

Italy at 7/2 v England must be surely be too big - England were super tez and them at 2/9 looks a lolbet.

Italy have never beaten England at rugby union and are unlikely to change this today.
Last week they looked more confused than ever about what they are trying to achieve under their new coach.
England will be much better having got through the game against Scotland. Italy are unlikely to be much better than last week.
Italy are promising to be more attacking but, even if you believe it, I can't see that working well for them.

Italy are unlikely to score a try so, if the pitch and weather look reasonable, I'll be looking at the Betfred "Double Delight" offer for Chris Ashton.

Looking at the pitch in Italy makes me very happy with betting on the draw at 25-1.

How much was the 0-0 draw?

Don't know anywhere they price that up. But i would reckon 150-1 ish.

HOLD!!!!!!!

I bet under 34 points @ 11/10 and hedged with over 28 @ 11/8 after 20 minutes.
This could work out nicely!

Farrell kicking like his old man used to.

Have a father and son played for a national team at the same time before?

What price could I get on England losing there next three games ? Bollocks to patriotism, we are terrible.

Great to finally see England playing some rugby!

I'm tempted to green up my Wales triple crown bet after the first half :D

Great game. The worry was that Wales would walk over England and embarrass us. We've made it a game so far. Roberts is going off too.

Great performance by England untill Ben youngs came on and ruined all the hard work

Fucks sake, I thought he just got that down.

Thought that was a great game, was hoping that England would have got that last score to tie it up and I think a draw would have been a fair result

Quite agree, thought we played quite well compared to recent performance.
On to the cricket now, man I love days when England play in multiple sports on the same day!

Few things missing this week -
1) Rugby League fans complaining about boring games
2) Tighty's "long rebuilding ahead" post

lol

today was much more encouraging I thought. Some ambition, and a young team defended well for almost all of it

Ben Youngs is woefully out of form though, came on and started flinging the thing at his teammates feet

On the plus side Manu made a big difference, and you can assume Lawes will when picked as a starter.

Wales are in great shape. Several years ahead of England in development and the team is still young in the key spots

It was a great game. One thing I didn't understand. At the end of the game there was a penalty advantage to England. They then failed to score the try and the game ended. I thought it was supposed to go back for the penalty advantage, even though time is up. Technically speaking they gained no advantage? I assume I have something wrong in the rules here but a few of us were saying that it was going to need to be taken back for the penalty even if the try was not given?

Lets say they give the late try, what is the conversion success of players under that pressure from 3 yards in from the touchline?

Genuine Q, not sure I've heard anyone mention it.

not sure there is a right answer

these days, with tees/good pitches/good balls etc, its probably more than 50-50, maybe 60-40, but not much more than that I would say

In the old days of mud, self made tees, leather balls...long odds against

It's an "interpretation" of the rules.
Some referees would consider that getting the ball over the line with a good chance to score a try is using up the advantage - some wouldn't.
I didn't hear Steve Walsh shout "advantage over" so, as an England fan, I'd say England were a little unlucky not to be awarded a penalty but not massively so.

David Strettle's other whinge that George North should have been penalised for deliberately knocking the ball into touch, while accurate, is irrelevant since all England were ever going to do in that spot was to kick the penalty into touch.

I thought Strettle should have removed any doubt and definitively scored. I know the defence was superb but in these days of mass defence and far fewer opportunities for wingers, you have to finish there, simply have to.

As it was the TMO gave the correct decision.

Re point 1.

Rule, exception; exception rule.

Super League games, some of them, are fixed right?

only possible excuse for some of the ineptitude we see on our screens this weekend....

Tighty v Kinboshi is the new Chisora v Haye.

If Sean Long's involved, then quite probably.

With regards to the no try at the end of the match yesterday, what was the video ref's call? I was watching at DTD, and couldn't hear any commentary. Was it conclusively shown that it wasn't grounded?

Just asking because in league there's a "benefit of the doubt" ruling available to the video ref for cases where it looks like it was a try but there's no conclusive evidence either way. It was brought in to obviously benefit the attacking side. Is there anything similar in union, no one at the table who was a union follower was aware of such a rule (not saying it would have been relevant yesterday or not though).

Shame the try wasn't given, would have been an unbelievably difficult kick under the circumstances, and made great viewing. Was a good game from what I saw of it.

Yeh agree the try should have been scored, he never reached out his arm. A good finisher scores and leaves no doubt and agree the it was the correct decision.

Also although he would have practised pre-game it would have been Flood's first kick at goal which I imagine would make a small difference to the odds of him converting it.

I'm going to physically burn him. Or something.

video ref's call. the available camera angles were all inconclusive

In general RU is still catching up with RL in use of video technology. There is no "benefit of the doubt to the attack". In fact, without concluive proof the benefit goes to the defence

It is an area in which RL is superb.

Yeh massively depends on what question the ref asks. If he asks "any reason not to give the try?" it's a try. If he says "try or no try" it's not a try.
To make sure they make as few mistakes as possilble the refs and assistant refs always say they can't see/be sure so usually ask "try or no try".

I think that's just because it's been in place longer. The "benefit of the doubt" ruling would have come into play with that try (from what I saw and what you've said) in league, which I guess can be unfair to the defending side.

The video ref is great when you're at a match, really adds to the drama and you get to be the video ref as well. The official video refs still get it blatantly wrong with regular frequency though.

The problem in Super League is that all games are equal, and some of the matches don't have a video ref, which arguably means matches are refereed slightly inconsistently.

David Strettle says "If it is inconclusive you have to go with the attacking team."
I thought that backs were supposed to be smarter than forwards.

Whooda thunk it.

Just an apology on this thread really, not the time to study hard enough to tip: Had the max on wales pre tourney 11/4. If there is a bet still to be had Ireland are likely to be value next week. Well done to England today.

You Scots should be proud, your boys finally won something  :D

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     And well deserved too. I never thought our rugby team could be worse than our football team, but they are.

Hahaha 2nd. Well played Lancaster. Lost one game to the grand slam champs and WC semi finalists by 7 points. Good start to the rebuilding.

Wales probably the second best side in the world.

Would not agree with this, 4th best side in the world for me. We were beaten in the world cup by both South Africa and Australia and lost twice to Australia after the world cup. Were competitive with those two sides but still a small way to go to catch them up. I think Wales will do it though. Back to back Grand Slam's is a real possibility with next years fixture list and would like to think we have a chance in the next world cup if we continue to build as we are at the moment.