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1k PLO tournament in Venice, WE ARE ON THE FINAL TABLE OIOI

THIS IS THE MONEY BUBBLE.

at 600/1200 we are 7handed.

UTG2 (38k stack) opens to 2,800. Btn (160k) calls I call in the BB (90k) with J988 cchh

Flop (9,200) Qs Tc 7s

I check, UTG2 bets 6,800 BTN Folds. Back to me, he has 30k back.

what you wanna do here?

was he a good player? how aggressive?

Looks like a tough spot. I think it wud be terrible for villain to bet-fold here. so maybe your hand sucks against his range, but then its the bubble so maybe he can find a bet-fold

seems like a close spot. probably need more information. Were there any other short stacks at the table? how has he been playing towards the bubble? definitely a big factor when the bubble is just 8-9 ppl left...

I only play Omaha for smallish stakes both live and online, I would never be folding out hand, and it seems to me that our oppo has very little fold equity so I would probably call in this spot hopping we bink the turn and either take the rest of his chips or just fold if he barrels again.

the table is me and 6 Italians, on the bubble. He's been both passive and spewy in bursts all comp, played very tight, then 4bet jammed 459T and so on. bottom 5 stacks have similar stacks me and him are 6 and 7 but not by much.

I wanna fold pre - am I the worst?

Keep shouting pot at the dealer until all my chips are in the middle

Tight from the blinds!

Great dynamics here.  Is the villain the short stack on the bubble or is there any other short/micro stacks?

What's his C-bet like and are you getting any vibe off him as to is comfort level right now?

My first instinct is to raise 4/5 pot - get it in but I'm pretty addicted to wraps this good, maybe too much.

I think a call is also fine to keep him in and possibly have him spew on a later street, the problem with this being we really need to hit the turn.  With his stack size we probably have to fold a bunch of turns that he might bet for value/spew on.

I like to pressure the bubble so I'm sating raise/get it in>>>Call>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fold.  Yes there are a few nightmare hands for us he can have but from what you've said I expect him capable of folding a lot of made holdings as well as getting it in with poor equity holdings.

Never folding this hand pre in this spot.

I'm defo folding pre

Yh I think it's quite close, however the table was me and 6 Italian's in ther mid-40's, and whereas it doesn't play that great multi-way I'm closing the action and my hand CAN flop big with nice stacks to chk/pot.

live tourney so don't really know any of this, all I know is he isn't very likely to be c-betting complete air. doesn't mean he wont bet/fold but he DEFO has some pretty reasonable connection to the flop.

here's what I did.....

I call 6800.

Turn (22,800)  5d

I bet 22,800.

Thoughts?

Is he the shortest stack on the table?

Clear evidence they were all completely terrible, imo. Italian, 40's, what more proof do we need?

PS - Hope you won the thing. Head for LA with morale boosted, & all that.

PPS - Am not calling pre with that, nits ftw, but replace one of the 8's with a 10, (so, J-10-9-8cchh) & I'm deffo having a look.

Not a PLO player at all but it seems like you have so many blockers to the wraps that I'd say he almost certainly has a made hand, 2pr+ probably which we're doing badly against so I fold the flop but I think fold and peel are close so I see why you'd peel rather than pot. Def not getting it in.

Maybe I'm just tez at PLO though

Am folding pre aswell.

Agreed on both counts.

Dave your hand can flop big but as with lots of hands can cause a bit of bother. Hope this hand turned out gravey for you.

And Tony (your kidding me right) I should coco that you may have a look with that hand. If we get dealt that hand once an orbit we would not need the Viagra any more :)

Precisely. he 10 changes the hand value completely, imo. I struggle to fold that pre in any circumstances, & if villain happened to have the Aces, happy days, let's take a flop & go from there.

Viagra? What is that? Third party software, or something?

Edit: fml your and you 're such a rookie mistake so embarrassing.

My experience with Italian players is they don't seem to enjoy folding too much, speshly with 4 cards. Ofc there could well be some very strong italian players, but I had 6 of them on my table, so seems reasonable to think at least 1 or 2 fit into this stereo-type and be capable of making bad calldowns and bad stack off's should i hit a good flop.

That was basically my reasoning for calling, and it's live poker where every hand takes 10minutes, so you have to call otherwise it's really boring :D

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what you make of the call and jam certain turn cards line mr rob?

My instinct on the flop was that was capable of betting kind of wide-ish for "value" and he would call/fold the bottom parts of that range pretty randomly, as is he may sometimes fold naked QT and he might get naked Q7 in sometimes as well. I didn't really know ofc this was pure speculation, he was an odd mixture of really tight and really spewy (I believe the poker expression for this is Italian)

I was potting all non spades below a 6, and all clubs when I call the flop, what you tihnk of that?. c/f everything else (he will prolly chk turn back a small %)

how bad would potting pre be?

In a tournament, where preserving chips is so important it's just too big a risk to take speshly with a reasonably EP open, if someone wants to 4bet here we then kinda have to go with it despite the fact our hand plays badly vs much pretty all 4bets.

89TJds as tikay mentioned earlier would be a different kettle of fish :D

with this hand, utterly horrible imo.

Completely agree.

Cos you said you want to fold pre, is this down to position or in your opinion is this hand just too weak to play this shallow?

Personally I like the call just because there are so many flops we can attack where we are at least running close, and I want to attack a short stack who is not the shortest while on the bubble.  I willing to admit this may not be optimal thinking.

but utg+2 is the shortest stack. when dave makes the call pre he has to expect to be playing the hand for his stack and burst the bubble, especially in the light of the description of the player given. imo this guy wont want to be out played by our young english hero in front of the other italian 40 somethings. not much better flops for dave here once he has committed to calling.

I def like this plan, especially if hes shortstack on the bubble. I think also live players will find a fold more often than online players in this spot on the turn...

Not sure about pre flop play but as you called flop im probaly the only one saying jam it in on flop ? if he has a set he calls an its racing if he has 2 top 2 he willl pass surely ? Im probaly wrong but as you know standard cash game noones passing that hand !