Title: under-raise Post by: mronetime on February 13, 2012, 03:28:40 PM I am trying to clear up something that happened in our poker league on thursday, and I wondered if anyone had the correct and exactly ruling for a under-raise so I can print it off and take with me this week.
I have searched the net and cant find it explained very clearly Many thanks Title: Re: under-raise Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2012, 03:32:14 PM well its going to depend on house rules so something tells me unless it was a significant and obvious underaise (all in for eg) then there will be several answers
Title: Re: under-raise Post by: TightEnd on February 13, 2012, 03:36:36 PM I am trying to clear up something that happened in our poker league on thursday, and I wondered if anyone had the correct and exactly ruling for a under-raise so I can print it off and take with me this week. I have searched the net and cant find it explained very clearly Many thanks There is no one set of poker rules, "it depends" is the answer on what rules you are using Title: Re: under-raise Post by: gatso on February 13, 2012, 03:37:09 PM question needs to be a lot less vague. are you talking about cash/tourney/all in/ reopening betting/whatever
give us the situation Title: Re: under-raise Post by: mronetime on February 13, 2012, 03:45:05 PM It was a tourney
Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call. Is it correct player a can only call? Title: Re: under-raise Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2012, 03:49:16 PM It was a tourney Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call. Is it correct player a can only call? haha - terrible amounts involved to get a straight answer im afraid! What is considered to be a minimum opening raise in your game at this blind level? If the minimum opening raise is 2k, then player A can only call. If teh minimum open is to 1500 then player A can do as he pleases as the 1650 bet did not close the action (ie it wasnt an under-raise) Title: Re: under-raise Post by: tikay on February 13, 2012, 03:49:21 PM It was a tourney Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call. Is it correct player a can only call? The BB folded for 650? Are you sure? Title: Re: under-raise Post by: outragous76 on February 13, 2012, 03:50:08 PM It was a tourney Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call. Is it correct player a can only call? The BB folded for 650? not terrible if he thinks the action isnt closed! This will no doubt add to the controversy Title: Re: under-raise Post by: tikay on February 13, 2012, 03:51:12 PM It was a tourney Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call. Is it correct player a can only call? The BB folded for 650? not terrible if he thinks the action isnt closed! This will no doubt add to the controversy Oh, I see. I had assumed the action was closed, tbh. I shall depart, these things hurt my head. Title: Re: under-raise Post by: mronetime on February 13, 2012, 04:16:47 PM Min raise would be 2k
ha ha, the bb did fold for 650, he is the tighest player known to man!!! I wasnt in the hand myself but I came back from the toilet to a heated discussion as player a was told he could only call. is this correct? Title: Re: under-raise Post by: gatso on February 13, 2012, 04:17:33 PM A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is
Quote An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may raise as normal if they wish Title: Re: under-raise Post by: TightEnd on February 13, 2012, 04:17:43 PM Min raise would be 2k ha ha, the bb did fold for 650, he is the tighest player known to man!!! I wasnt in the hand myself but I came back from the toilet to a heated discussion as player a was told he could only call. is this correct? Yes,in this instance Title: Re: under-raise Post by: mronetime on February 13, 2012, 04:28:07 PM A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is Quote An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may raise as normal if they wish Thanks for that I will print that of to show them on thursday Title: Re: under-raise Post by: Ironside on February 13, 2012, 04:30:41 PM i remember having to phone redtooth up once after a reraise in a pot of 1bb after a guy had open raised to 3xbb
so betting was sb 25 bb 50 OR 150 3bet 200 redtooth claimed that they allow this in there rules to keep things simple so as this is a pub league anything is possible on what counts as an underraise and if it closes the action i can also remember somewhere cant remember where that it didnt close the betting if underraise was over 50% of the orginal bet so if blinds were 1/2k sb 1k bb 2k or 6k although the minimum bet is now 10k an all in underraise of 8k+ would reopen the betting its all confusing having no set rules Title: Re: under-raise Post by: SuuPRlim on February 13, 2012, 04:46:01 PM A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is Quote An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may raise as normal if they wish perfect :) the minimum raise in any situation is always the the amount raised to-previous call. for example at blind level 100/200 player A bets 600, player B raises to 1600, back to player A, the minimum raise he can make now is to 2,600 600 with 1000 with 1000. if player A in fact decides to raise to 3000, Player B's minimum raise is to... 4,600 600, with 1000, with 1400, with 1400 = 4,600. Title: Re: under-raise Post by: gatso on February 13, 2012, 04:51:27 PM i can also remember somewhere cant remember where that it didnt close the betting if underraise was over 50% of the orginal bet 50% rule is for fixed limit. <50% is an underraise, >50% is a full raise anything <100% is an underraise in pl and nl Title: Re: under-raise Post by: Ironside on February 13, 2012, 04:54:39 PM i can also remember somewhere cant remember where that it didnt close the betting if underraise was over 50% of the orginal bet 50% rule is for fixed limit. <50% is an underraise, >50% is a full raise anything <100% is an underraise in pl and nl yeah cant remember where it was it was in my early days of playing that gave that ruling for a NLHE comp though Title: Re: under-raise Post by: smashedagain on February 13, 2012, 04:54:50 PM A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is Quote An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may raise as normal if they wish perfect :) the minimum raise in any situation is always the the amount raised to-previous call. for example at blind level 100/200 player A bets 600, player B raises to 1600, back to player A, the minimum raise he can make now is to 2,600 600 with 1000 with 1000. if player A in fact decides to raise to 3000, Player B's minimum raise is to... 4,600 600, with 1000, with 1400, with 1400 = 4,600. Title: Re: under-raise Post by: mronetime on February 13, 2012, 05:08:09 PM A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is Quote An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may raise as normal if they wish Just to get this 100% right, player a could only call as player c only called and the bb folded? if player c or bb raised could player a now re-raise? Title: Re: under-raise Post by: gatso on February 13, 2012, 05:11:25 PM yes. if C or bb raise that would reopen the betting so A would have all options again
Title: Re: under-raise Post by: mronetime on February 13, 2012, 05:12:58 PM yes. if C or bb raise that would reopen the betting so A would have all options again Great stuff, thats How I understood the rule in this case so just wanted make sure I was correct. |