under-raise

[mronetime]

I am trying to clear up something that happened in our poker league on thursday, and I wondered if anyone had the correct and exactly ruling for a under-raise so I can print it off and take with me this week.

I have searched the net and cant find it explained very clearly

Many thanks

[outragous76]

well its going to depend on house rules so something tells me unless it was a significant and obvious underaise (all in for eg) then there will be several answers

[TightEnd]

I am trying to clear up something that happened in our poker league on thursday, and I wondered if anyone had the correct and exactly ruling for a under-raise so I can print it off and take with me this week.

I have searched the net and cant find it explained very clearly

Many thanks

There is no one set of poker rules, "it depends" is the answer on what rules you are using

[gatso]

question needs to be a lot less vague. are you talking about cash/tourney/all in/ reopening betting/whatever

give us the situation

[mronetime]

It was a tourney

Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call.

Is it correct player a can only call?

[outragous76]

It was a tourney

Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call.

Is it correct player a can only call?

haha - terrible amounts involved to get a straight answer im afraid!

What is considered to be a minimum opening raise in your game at this blind level? If the minimum opening raise is 2k, then player A can only call. If teh minimum open is to 1500 then player A can do as he pleases as the 1650 bet did not close the action (ie it wasnt an under-raise)

[tikay]

It was a tourney

Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call.

Is it correct player a can only call?

The BB folded for 650? Are you sure?

[outragous76]

It was a tourney

Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call.

Is it correct player a can only call?

The BB folded for 650?

not terrible if he thinks the action isnt closed! This will no doubt add to the controversy

[tikay]

It was a tourney

Player a calls the bb (1k) next player b goes all in for 1650 player c then calls the all in the player in the bb folds and player a tries to raise rather than call.

Is it correct player a can only call?

The BB folded for 650?

not terrible if he thinks the action isnt closed! This will no doubt add to the controversy

Oh, I see. I had assumed the action was closed, tbh.

I shall depart, these things hurt my head.

[mronetime]

Min raise would be 2k

ha ha, the bb did fold for 650, he is the tighest player known to man!!!

I wasnt in the hand myself but I came back from the toilet to a heated discussion as player a was told he could only call. is this correct?

[gatso]

A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is

An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full
amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already
acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may
raise as normal if they wish

[TightEnd]

Min raise would be 2k

ha ha, the bb did fold for 650, he is the tighest player known to man!!!

I wasnt in the hand myself but I came back from the toilet to a heated discussion as player a was told he could only call. is this correct?

Yes,in this instance

[mronetime]

A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is

An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full
amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already
acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may
raise as normal if they wish

Thanks for that I will print that of to show them on thursday

[Ironside]

i remember having to phone redtooth up once after a reraise in a pot of 1bb after a guy had open raised to 3xbb
so betting was

sb 25
bb 50
OR 150
3bet 200

redtooth claimed that they allow this in there rules to keep things simple
so as this is a pub league anything is possible on what counts as an underraise and if it closes the action


i can also remember somewhere cant remember where that it didnt close the betting if underraise was over 50% of the orginal bet
so if blinds were 1/2k

sb 1k
bb 2k
or 6k

although the minimum bet is now 10k an all in underraise of 8k+ would reopen the betting


its all confusing having no set rules

[SuuPRlim]

A can't raise. the rule you want from robert's rules is

An under-raise happens when a player goes all in and in doing so has raised the bet but not by the full
amount necessary. When this happens the betting becomes ‘locked’. Any players that have already
acted in the hand (called, checked, bet etc) may not re-raise. Any players that have not yet acted may
raise as normal if they wish

perfect

the minimum raise in any situation is always the the amount raised to-previous call. for example

at blind level 100/200

player A bets 600, player B raises to 1600, back to player A, the minimum raise he can make now is to 2,600

600 with 1000 with 1000.

if player A in fact decides to raise to 3000, Player B's minimum raise is  to... 4,600

600, with 1000, with 1400, with 1400 = 4,600.