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AA at 100/200, we make it 450.
Villain makes it 1300.
We make it 4000.
He now makes it 11k.
No notes on villain, haven't seen him at DTD before though, not in the big ones - if he's not that good, he's going broke with KK, maybe QQ.
However he knows I'm being backed which I was hoping to use to my advantage later, so he knows I'm not going crazy with a weak hand.
We both have 60k behind which is the ridiculous thing about this pot. If I have 200 bigs I probs flat, but I don't fancy risking tourney life by going to a flop and getting it in there, or on the turn.
I've never been in this spot so deep, and doubt I ever will be again. I guess this could be one for the cash players, rather than tourney players.
Thoughts?

Positions?

Regardless of positions I'm 6-betting every day in this spot, let the guy go broke with KK/QQ or even AK

Think I was UTG+1 in this hand, villain was in the hijack

You said he's going broke with KK / QQ so I'm 6betting here for sure.

It's higher variance than flatting and getting it in on 923 where you're 90% instead of 81%, but this is ofset by the times you don't stack him cos it's come A high, or it comes K high and he has QQ or he has AK and it bricks.

He doesn't really say that though.............. 'if he's not that good............'.

It's a spot where, whatever you do, you look really strong, and your opponent becomes really wary.
If you've already been involved in some preflop wars, either with the opponent, or that he has seen, then you can probably 6-bet smallish (18 - 20k).

If not, then I call, and hope he puts other stuff in my range (AK, QQ etc...) and gives me some more down the streets.

yeah didn't say he wont lay down KK or QQ, just havent got a strong enough read to know this
no preflop wars yet, although I had been 3 betting fairly light.. obv way different to a 4 bet

so what was the outcome then?

I'd make a really small 6bet vs some opponents or call against others depending on gameflow. More likely to call if he is the blinds so will be likely to have to lead out most flops

So prob lean towards small 6bet

making it 28k is really bad imo.

level the guy and make it <20k and give him reason to believe he has fold equity.

also make it like 600+ pre, your deep ffs.

my bad.

still 6betting cos ppl never believe me, 18k imo

3x it pre antes this deep as Pleno says.

No idea what to do now tbh. Whatever you do is going to look ridic strong so I probably just shove and hope he thinks nobody would do that with AA.

yeah, should have made it way less than 28k, or way more.
made it 28k here, he thought for 10 seconds before folding KK face up.

btw in regards to making it 600, 450 was the table average, and we still never went to a flop more than 3 handed, it was rare we hit flops with 3 players in tbf, felt like it was the right raise to make at the time.
no antes involved at this stage

Disagree with 3xing pre, I like your open, antes or no antes.

Perhaps just 6-bet shove...

If i was you id 3x pre. Flat now

How does oppo know you are backed?

talking to Simon, dealers asking if it's true Rob took the last 20% of me etc... the table knows

In hindsight took the worst line here, personally prefer the overbet jam and hope he thinks I never do that with AA

Pretty sure he is more likely to think you never do it with anything except Aces

If u have 10k and 5k chips you could always throw in 21k with 2 10ks and a 1k and say call 3 seconds or so after you have done it

6 bet much smaller to 18-20k he probably flats and then goes broke on a bunch of boards that don't consis of an A or a Q!

i think 20 is even far too big, pretend ur hood flatting and start check calling down those streets/ c/jam flop depending on live reads

whatever you do pre-flop you look really strong, because not many people go around 6-betting light in tournaments pre-antes lol.

I'd 100% flat now and chk/call the flop which will leave exactly a PSB back for the turn, if the board runs out kind of wet but not too scary you'll stak KK and QQ for sure, any more bets go in PF and you'll get so many hero folds, speshly in a comp like this.

People tend to be drastically polarised here because not many people 5bet TT, JJ, QQ or AK for fear of being re-raised and having to fold, so chances are here he either has air, KK or AA so I think the only card you really don't wanna see OTF is a K and you can continue happily even on scary ish boards.

3x pre -  21k now

Sums it up for meeeeee. Flat now and you stack KK on 99% of boards. Just hope the boards not K high, thatd just be puke
 

pretty sure any 6bet is only ACES here. Call me a sceptical sammy but pretty sure everyone knows you're not going to punt 140bigs off pre antes for just now reason at alll making a run with the old 6h 9h

its a call for me and c/c flop after dwell

Could have jj or AK in his range here if he is a creative. Whatever he has he bloody loves his holding pre so why not get the most out of him while he still likes his cards and re pop to 23.5k giving him leverage to ship ott. He flats at the very worst to it imo, and comitts him even more to any flop if he flats.

People can get very scared of sets post flop and shut down despite putting so many chips in. So all the value here is pre.

if you've played any live poker in your life you'll know this isnt the case (sorry ant!)

cant imagine doing anything other than flatting

No probs. Happy to be wrong on here. I wish I could say you and the others are incorrect and come up with sick reasoning but so many heros playing this differently :)

I don't think there's much in it between flatting and clicking it to 18k, I think both will achieve roughly the same long term profit

Just saw this thread. I like to raise to 18-20k, in my experience most live players will NEVER fold to this sizing because they're 'priced in', and they flat because they don't know what else to do. Gives us a chance to get more moneys in, creates room for a spaz which players will fall for sometimes, and also gives him less room post to get away from any of his decent holdings.

Unless you have an insane image I don't think there is anything worse then clicking it.

Flat pre >>>>>>>> Piling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clicking>Folding

Why?

This sums up my thoughts

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It's like you're giving  him every possible opportunity to get away from it. There is no way if you had Ax or some random bluff hand that you are going to be click 6betting oop and I think unless they have a huge opinion you are just a massive spaz then they are just going to peel KK and fold everything else. If they do have the opinion your going to absolutely spack it in the you may as well just save everyones time and jam pre as if they have KK they aren't folding anyway.

I know they are completely different scenarios and ones I am sure people will learn to exploit soon enough, but online there are so many hands I plan to 3bet/call (much like G2L AJss in other thread) that I end up folding because they click 4bet it back when they NEVER have a click 4bet to 2/5ths stack bluff range. Obviously there are going to be ways to exploit this if you play a ton together, but in a live tournament this deep, there is no way you should be considering that.

Also I know it's been said a million times but should defo be 3xing every hand you open minimum imo

if we flat we're going to get at least one more bet of 10-13k from all his range, whereas if we click we only get action from the value side of wht is a pretty polarised 5betting range.

thoughts on villains play if he has kings? Which bit/sizing do we change? Just peel the 4 i guess.

Definitely flatting here and probably not folding at any point unless theres another K in this coup