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Title: "If I fold will you show" Post by: gouty on March 30, 2012, 09:51:36 AM I normally just keep mum when asked this question and stare at the flop or a bit of felt if there is no flop.
What do people think about this? In my experience players that ask this question are folding 90% of the time anyway. Last Sunday in my local £100 fo a decentish reg asked me this when I had 4 bet all in fairly early with AA and I insta said yes to his inquiry hoping to get a call. He tank folded and I just tossed em into the muck. Now he starts going on about verbals being binding etc. and I am laughing explaining that it's only actions that are binding. Am I out of order? What is the correct response to the question with either a very strong holding or a marginal holding? Any opinions welcome. Al Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: EvilPie on March 30, 2012, 09:54:05 AM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo.
Well played. Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: tonytats on March 30, 2012, 10:00:00 AM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo. Well played. I agree it tilts em more then u should announce "didn't wantbto play a flop with 72 off" Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: Cf on March 30, 2012, 10:01:03 AM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo. Well played. +8,000,000 Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: cambridgealex on March 30, 2012, 10:54:48 AM IMO, saying you'll show them makes them MORE likely to fold. Most people are on level 1.
Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: RED-DOG on March 30, 2012, 10:56:28 AM I usually put it back in their court by saying. "Will you fold if I say yes?"
Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: pokerfan on March 30, 2012, 11:00:36 AM IMO, saying you'll show them makes them MORE likely to fold. Most people are on level 1. Deffo. Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: bobAlike on March 30, 2012, 11:01:38 AM IMO, saying you'll show them makes them MORE likely to fold. Most people are on level 1. +1 with this. I said no once to get a caller when I had KK. He called with Q10 and got there :( Keep schtum now. I usually put it back in their court by saying. "Will you fold if I say yes?" This will be my new response. Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: david3103 on March 30, 2012, 12:21:37 PM I like
"I never know what to say when people ask this. I know what I want you to do, but I don't know which answer will get you to do that" Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: CHIPPYMAN on March 30, 2012, 12:50:33 PM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo. Well played. FYP Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: Cf on March 30, 2012, 01:09:20 PM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo. Well played. FYP Struggling to see it... Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: smashedagain on March 30, 2012, 01:17:21 PM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo. Well played. FYP Struggling to see it... Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: EvilPie on March 30, 2012, 01:21:46 PM I sometimes tell them that if they fold I'll flip a coin and if they call it right they can see them.
Let the poker Gods decide. Usually though I'll say no if I want a call or yes if I don't. Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: cambridgealex on March 30, 2012, 02:08:27 PM Saying yes and then mucking is the nut option imo. Well played. FYP Struggling to see it... it's his first attempt, it's bound to take him a few goes... Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: gouty on March 30, 2012, 09:43:44 PM I usually put it back in their court by saying. "Will you fold if I say yes?" Cheers Mr DawgThat's perfect. I find all the speech stuff a bit macho tbh. And he was a decent player so not level 1 imo. But my mucking really pissed him off for some reason. I don't know why as I have played with him for 4 years and never shown a hand yet so why he thought I would then is somewhat strange. I love the wise old owls on here. Regards Al Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: RED-DOG on March 30, 2012, 10:40:57 PM I usually put it back in their court by saying. "Will you fold if I say yes?" Cheers Mr DawgThat's perfect. I find all the speech stuff a bit macho tbh. And he was a decent player so not level 1 imo. But my mucking really pissed him off for some reason. I don't know why as I have played with him for 4 years and never shown a hand yet so why he thought I would then is somewhat strange. I love the wise old owls on here. Regards Al Cheers Al. Don't forget that you can vary your response and still put it back on them. If they have a real decision to make, I find "Will you call if I say no?" often induces a fold, and "Will you fold if I say yes?" induces a call. Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: Poker_Monkey on March 30, 2012, 11:35:54 PM I usually put it back in their court by saying. "Will you fold if I say yes?" Cheers Mr DawgThat's perfect. I find all the speech stuff a bit macho tbh. And he was a decent player so not level 1 imo. But my mucking really pissed him off for some reason. I don't know why as I have played with him for 4 years and never shown a hand yet so why he thought I would then is somewhat strange. I love the wise old owls on here. Regards Al Cheers Al Don't forget that you can vary your response and still put it back on them. If they have a real decision to make, I find "Will you call if I say no?" often induces a fold, and "Will you fold if I say yes?" induces a call. Yet iv found that one as well. All so like asking them it right back it seams to stump people lol Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: blueace on March 31, 2012, 01:39:57 AM Try - if you show me yours first.
Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: cole21 on April 03, 2012, 03:29:06 PM i disagree in my experience..when the question is posed, they will more than likely show a bluff every time
Title: Re: "If I fold will you show" Post by: Sulphur man on April 04, 2012, 12:39:48 PM Tommy Angelo "Mouth"
"Here we have a collection of muscles and parts that send information using not only expressions, but also sounds. And not just any old sounds. Words. Sentences. Information of the highest grade. This comes as great news for the reciprocality miner as there are no rules that require the muscles of the mouth to move while playing poker. You have the right to remain silent." From my experience its best to say nothing. I have noticed a few canny players are looking for the player to answer yes i will show (a reason to justify a close call)then they call as yes normally implies a marginal holding. When im playing well im certainly keeping strum in these spots. |