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Title: UKIPT hand Post by: david3103 on April 14, 2012, 04:49:50 PM My first UKIPT.. I satellites in for a spend of £80 approx and thoroughly enjoyed myself until...
Some context, I came back with 34100 and got an early double up shoving JJ and getting called by 77 Knocked out Liv when she open shoved QJ into my BB AJ This hand comes Close to the bubble Blinds 1200/2400/300 Villain 1 raises from utg+1 to 5100 playing c86k Villain 2 calls from hijack, similar stack I'm BB with 68off and call... ERROR? Flop is 4 8 6 dd I check, Villain 1 bets 18300 Villain 2 tank folds I understand it's all about his range, but whatever he's raised with here it's surely safe to assume i'm ahead yes? I shove.... ERROR? I lost the hand and even now, three hours later I still feel sick about it. I think I played pretty well over the 13 and a bit levels I was involved in, and the nature of my exit still rankles. In a way, I think I'll feel better if I misplayed it. Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: George2Loose on April 14, 2012, 04:51:51 PM As with most exit hands that have been posted- calling pre is the biggest mistake you've made in this hand.
Post flop it's obv an easy get it in. Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: david3103 on April 14, 2012, 05:10:22 PM As with most exit hands that have been posted- calling pre is the biggest mistake you've made in this hand. Post flop it's obv an easy get it in. How big though? Obviously, given the end result, very big, but in general, is calling here a huge mistake? Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: George2Loose on April 14, 2012, 05:34:34 PM As with most exit hands that have been posted- calling pre is the biggest mistake you've made in this hand. Post flop it's obv an easy get it in. How big though? Obviously, given the end result, very big, but in general, is calling here a huge mistake? Yes. I mean I can't see where you've mentioned your stack size but unless your mega deep it's just an easy fold. You've hit the nut flop for your hand in this situation but too often you're gonna either miss which is probs the best result for your hand or flop some sort of equity and have to play the hand OOP Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: david3103 on April 14, 2012, 05:48:54 PM Ooops, knew i'd missed something, I had 85k, just covered by villain..
Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: BorntoBubble on April 14, 2012, 06:24:24 PM Not deep enough to be bothered with this hand really espically on the bubble if youve satted in for £80 just get through bubble take home the bacon then worry about getting chips. If your not being the bubble bully i would say just stay out of the way!
Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: BulldozerD on April 14, 2012, 06:50:52 PM +1 to George, pre is not good at all and flop is an easy check/raise get it in etc
Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: DMorgan on April 14, 2012, 06:54:42 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get
Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: cambridgealex on April 14, 2012, 09:23:13 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get this. I can't think of a stack size or situation i'd peel the 86o. before you say it, EVEN TO A MINRAISE! I'd need 500bbs, vs some massive whales to peel this. Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: BorntoBubble on April 14, 2012, 09:36:56 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get this. I can't think of a stack size or situation i'd peel the 86o. before you say it, EVEN TO A MINRAISE! I'd need 500bbs, vs some massive whales to peel this. Alex what about min raise UTG then over call from all players and its round to you on BB i think im calling then... or just jamming! Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: cambridgealex on April 14, 2012, 10:13:18 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get this. I can't think of a stack size or situation i'd peel the 86o. before you say it, EVEN TO A MINRAISE! I'd need 500bbs, vs some massive whales to peel this. Alex what about min raise UTG then over call from all players and its round to you on BB i think im calling then... or just jamming! still folding. you HAVE to flop two pair+ to continue. The chances of this are about 19:1 I believe. you won't be getting 19:1 pre. Also there's reversed implied odds. Flop comes 823 are you really gonna be comfortable even calling one bet? Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: BorntoBubble on April 14, 2012, 10:28:21 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get this. I can't think of a stack size or situation i'd peel the 86o. before you say it, EVEN TO A MINRAISE! I'd need 500bbs, vs some massive whales to peel this. Alex what about min raise UTG then over call from all players and its round to you on BB i think im calling then... or just jamming! still folding. you HAVE to flop two pair+ to continue. The chances of this are about 19:1 I believe. you won't be getting 19:1 pre. Also there's reversed implied odds. Flop comes 823 are you really gonna be comfortable even calling one bet? 752 flop also thats a good one! rainbow! although in them overcallers youd expect someone to have hit a set! Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: skolsuper on April 14, 2012, 11:12:50 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get this. I can't think of a stack size or situation i'd peel the 86o. before you say it, EVEN TO A MINRAISE! I'd need 500bbs, vs some massive whales to peel this. Alex what about min raise UTG then over call from all players and its round to you on BB i think im calling then... or just jamming! Congrats on choosing such an appropriate username. Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: WPIL on April 14, 2012, 11:13:55 PM cuss
Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: Doobs on April 14, 2012, 11:34:10 PM Fold pre and it actually gets worse the deeper you get this. I can't think of a stack size or situation i'd peel the 86o. before you say it, EVEN TO A MINRAISE! I'd need 500bbs, vs some massive whales to peel this. Alex what about min raise UTG then over call from all players and its round to you on BB i think im calling then... or just jamming! still folding. you HAVE to flop two pair+ to continue. The chances of this are about 19:1 I believe. you won't be getting 19:1 pre. Also there's reversed implied odds. Flop comes 823 are you really gonna be comfortable even calling one bet? 752 flop also thats a good one! rainbow! although in them overcallers youd expect someone to have hit a set! Dunno, I'd be reasonably happy with three 8s on the flop too. Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: SuuPRlim on April 15, 2012, 12:24:19 AM lol James Keys hilarious :D
my summary is... Preflop is a fold regardless - any realistic situation you could be in with 68o we still need to fold. Alex summed it up, REVERSE IMPLIED ODDS - basically this means that when we flop well enough we rarely win enough to make up for the times we flop good, but not good enough as we often lose all our stack then. postflop fine ofc You were on the table with Mitch yh? Nice to meet you ! glgl Title: Re: UKIPT hand Post by: david3103 on April 15, 2012, 12:41:28 AM Sigh, another lesson learnt... Thanks all
I got called by JJ, turn 3, river 3 gg me I talked it through with G2L earlier, and I've reached the point where I'm not feeling quite so sick about it. Nonetheless, the impact of the mistake means that it's unlikely I'll make it again. The privilege was mine lil'dave |