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Title: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: smashedagain on April 29, 2012, 08:38:59 PM http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim
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Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Sheriff Fatman on April 29, 2012, 10:51:30 PM Undoubtedly a character, but he'll forever be tarnished by the child abuse scandal.
If you can look beyond that, his biography "Slim, In a World Full of Fat People" is an entertaining read. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Longy on April 30, 2012, 12:56:25 AM YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z3dgI8Fao
Docu about him, which is pretty interesting. He sat next to me in the bellagio sportsbook once as well, true story! Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: DaveShoelace on April 30, 2012, 08:15:32 AM Undoubtedly a character, but he'll forever be tarnished by the child abuse scandal. If you can look beyond that, his biography "Slim, In a World Full of Fat People" is an entertaining read. This. His book is brilliant, really really funny. It really leaves an awkward taste in the mouth to be so thoroughly entertained by his antics as a road gambler, yet so disgusted at the allegations against him. The table tennis prop bets were priceless. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: RED-DOG on April 30, 2012, 08:17:46 AM YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Z3dgI8Fao Docu about him, which is pretty interesting. He sat next to me in the bellagio sportsbook once as well, true story! The concluding parts of this documentary can be found on YouTube. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: muckthenuts on April 30, 2012, 10:01:05 AM Undoubtedly a character, but he'll forever be tarnished by the child abuse scandal. If you can look beyond that, his biography "Slim, In a World Full of Fat People" is an entertaining read. +1. I really liked his book, would recommend to the whole of blonde Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: ManuelsMum on April 30, 2012, 12:13:49 PM Interview with Nolan Dalla
http://www.pokerlistings.com/a-legend-lost-amarillo-slim-breaks-his-silence-pt-1-38457 Personally I'd like to see a bit more evidence before ever remembering the guy as a child abuser. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Cupcake on May 01, 2012, 02:29:13 AM Somebody gave me a copy of this book. I didn't realise he was accused of child abuse. I won't read it now, in actual fact, I've just chucked in the bin.
Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: bobAlike on May 01, 2012, 07:00:16 AM Interview with Nolan Dalla http://www.pokerlistings.com/a-legend-lost-amarillo-slim-breaks-his-silence-pt-1-38457 Personally I'd like to see a bit more evidence before ever remembering the guy as a child abuser. You might want to rephrase that. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: RED-DOG on May 01, 2012, 08:34:50 AM Somebody gave me a copy of this book. I didn't realise he was accused of child abuse. I won't read it now, in actual fact, I've just chucked in the bin. I hate child abuse too, but I also hate trail by media and mob rule. It's so easy to get yourself accused of something you didn't do. I herd about some women in Salem that were accused of being witches. They all hanged, but I think there's a good chance that some of them were innocent. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 09:01:34 AM Some (apparently) reasonably balanced facts about the Amarillo allegations are on his Wiki page, here...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim As a quirky aside, I seem to recall that Camel bumped into Mr Slim shortly after the allegations surfaced, in an elevator in Las Vegas, & was stumped for words, he did not know what to say. If YOU encountered him in such a situation, (whilst he was alive), what would YOU have said, or done? None of us know the true facts, of course. And face to face is very different to the internet. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: RED-DOG on May 01, 2012, 09:24:17 AM Some (apparently) reasonably balanced facts about the Amarillo allegations are on his Wiki page, here...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim As a quirky aside, I seem to recall that Camel bumped into Mr Slim shortly after the allegations surfaced, in an elevator in Las Vegas, & was stumped for words, he did not know what to say. If YOU encountered him in such a situation, (whilst he was alive), what would YOU have said, or done? None of us know the true facts, of course. And face to face is very different to the internet. Are the facts your referring to just those in the one small paragraph Tone? I start conversations with strangers all the time, but with famous people it must happen so often that they are sick of it. So I probably wouldn't have spoken to him in the lift unless he spoke to me first. I which case I would have answered back politely. From that point on, I would have been happy let the conversation develop naturally. I should point out that had it been Hitler, or Mother Teresa, I would still talk to them if I could. Why waste such a golden opportunity? Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 09:39:04 AM Yes Tom, not much detail there, but it seems to be reasonably facts based. There is a ton of stuff all over the internet about it, but it's mostly "internet style" nonsense from the brave but faceless ones, rather than factually based.
I just find it fascinating, how our perceptions of individuals change, & how we would handle it if we encountered them in real life. You probably know that I get all manner of hate mail & malicious lurkers, but face to face, almost everyone is always very civil. If I encountered them in a lift, I think they'd just comment nicely upon my fine physique & youthful looks. The internet makes people braver, I guess. Which is both good & bad I suppose. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Graham C on May 01, 2012, 09:45:13 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy?
Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: AndrewT on May 01, 2012, 09:46:48 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? The worst thing is he never replies to me. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: smashedagain on May 01, 2012, 09:55:44 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? The worst thing is he never replies to me. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 10:19:42 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? Lol, yes, loads of it. I even had a Facebook hate page dedicated to me! Always anon of course. Fancy that. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Skippy on May 01, 2012, 10:21:31 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? Lol, yes, loads of it. I even had a Facebook hate page dedicated to me! Always anon of course. Fancy that. Is it about anything specific or generally "I hate Tikay?" Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 10:25:54 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? The worst thing is he never replies to me. I have plenty of bad bones, though yesterday, on the "stealing" thread, I think I came in the blonde Angels department. Seemingly not a good thing that. Maria is very special to me indeed, she has been such a good & loyal friend, & we share a lot of secrets, she does all my accounting, & various other stuff for me. Nags a lot though, so I'd never marry her. Anyway, we have somehow jumped from a gentleman who recently passed away, paedo-allegations, to me, (my fault, sorry) lets get back on topic. If you bumped into Mr Slim in an elevator or lift, what exactly would you say to him? Remember, you have no proof of the allegations, & only he knows the truth. Would you be civil to him, rude, or just be typically English, & say nothing? Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 10:28:09 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? Lol, yes, loads of it. I even had a Facebook hate page dedicated to me! Always anon of course. Fancy that. Is it about anything specific or generally "I hate Tikay?" Just "smear" stuff mainly. My computer got key-logged by one of them last year, & so they had access to my private e-Mails etc. Lets get back on topic though, please. Feel free to ask on my Diary. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: The Camel on May 01, 2012, 10:43:27 AM Some (apparently) reasonably balanced facts about the Amarillo allegations are on his Wiki page, here...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim As a quirky aside, I seem to recall that Camel bumped into Mr Slim shortly after the allegations surfaced, in an elevator in Las Vegas, & was stumped for words, he did not know what to say. If YOU encountered him in such a situation, (whilst he was alive), what would YOU have said, or done? None of us know the true facts, of course. And face to face is very different to the internet. Yes, it was at the Commerce Casino in LA, a matter of weeks after the allegations emerged. I was waiting for the lift down to the cardroom and when it arrived he was in there alone. I got in, but didn't know where to look. Couldn't be more awkward. I wished immediately I had let the lift go and waited until it was empty. I understand and broadly agree with everything Tom says about hating witch hunts. However, when it comes to child abuse, it is the one crime I believe any innocent man would not plea bargain. You know when you agree to plead no contest to keep yourself out of prison you will be forever known and pointed out as a paedophile. If you were guilty and remorseful, you might do what Slim did "to take the plea bargain in order to spare his family from a court trial". To my mind, he'll always be a scumbag. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Laxie on May 01, 2012, 10:48:17 AM Some (apparently) reasonably balanced facts about the Amarillo allegations are on his Wiki page, here...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim As a quirky aside, I seem to recall that Camel bumped into Mr Slim shortly after the allegations surfaced, in an elevator in Las Vegas, & was stumped for words, he did not know what to say. If YOU encountered him in such a situation, (whilst he was alive), what would YOU have said, or done? None of us know the true facts, of course. And face to face is very different to the internet. I understand and broadly agree with everything Tom says about hating witch hunts. However, when it comes to child abuse, it is the one crime I believe any innocent man would not plea bargain. You know when you agree to plead no contest to keep yourself out of prison you will be forever known and pointed out as a paedophile. If you were guilty and remorseful, you might do what Slim did "to take the plea bargain in order to spare his family from a court trial". To my mind, he'll always be a scumbag. Very much agree with you. My mind was struggling to come up with the right words, but you've covered it perfect and more politely than I could muster. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 10:56:39 AM Some (apparently) reasonably balanced facts about the Amarillo allegations are on his Wiki page, here...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim As a quirky aside, I seem to recall that Camel bumped into Mr Slim shortly after the allegations surfaced, in an elevator in Las Vegas, & was stumped for words, he did not know what to say. If YOU encountered him in such a situation, (whilst he was alive), what would YOU have said, or done? None of us know the true facts, of course. And face to face is very different to the internet. Yes, it was at the Commerce Casino in LA, a matter of weeks after the allegations emerged. I was waiting for the lift down to the cardroom and when it arrived he was in there alone. I got in, but didn't know where to look. Couldn't be more awkward. I wished immediately I had let the lift go and waited until it was empty. I understand and broadly agree with everything Tom says about hating witch hunts. However, when it comes to child abuse, it is the one crime I believe any innocent man would not plea bargain. You know when you agree to plead no contest to keep yourself out of prison you will be forever known and pointed out as a paedophile. If you were guilty and remorseful, you might do what Slim did "to take the plea bargain in order to spare his family from a court trial". To my mind, he'll always be a scumbag. THAT (enboldened) is the bit that fascinates me, some very interesting psychology going off inside our heads in those spots. The stereotype has us clearing our throats, & looking at our shoes, all sort of awkward. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Skippy on May 01, 2012, 11:04:37 AM Personally I don't talk to strangers in lifts anyhow, so I don't see how it's awkward.
Anyway, here's a Johnny Hughes post on the 2+2 thread (I got it from the google cache, since 2+2 is down): Quote from: Johnny Hughes Night before last, Shawn Rice called me to tell me Slim was in hospice care. Shawn was Slim's protege at pool and poker since he was 19. He says Slim is the greatest hustler in the world. Shawn and I play some in the same poker game. He is a great guy. I wrote to Crandell Addington and Doyle Brunson. Crandell wrote back that he and Doyle will be the last two Texas road gamblers left, "dinosaurs" he said. None of the people who know Slim here in Texas think he was guilty of this charge. Doyle traveled with Slim for years, and Shawn did later. If he was a freak, those cloest to him would have known it. They all defend him, as Doyle Brunson has done this very morning! It is a usual TwoPlusTwo deal that many who have read little about the case make lying, false statements. Some years back, Amarillo Slim granddaughter accused him of inappropriately touching her. She has publicly recanted, and said she made it all up. All members of Amarillo Slim's family, including her parents stand behind Slim. Slim pled NO CONTEST to a misdemeanor assault charge that was NOT a sex charge on a plea bargain. Posters on here routinely say that Slim pled GUILTY OF A SEX CHARGE. If he had, he would be required to register as a sex offender for life. Poker sites routinely say he pldd guilty. There is a huge difference! Some bargain! You would have to know how it works in West Texas. They told him this: Option One: Plead no contest to a lesser, non sex c charge that does not mention or have anything to do with sex, pay a small fine and leave the building. Option Two: Be charged with felony sexual assault. Face a jury and possible life in prison. Life? or a fine? Choose. Amarillo Slim had plead NO CONTEST to gambling, vagrancy charges several times, as had I. When we pled NO CONTEST to vagrancy by association, it didn't mean we were broke, didn't have a residence, or anything much. It was the cost of doing business for a gambler. In Tulia, Texas, one lying rogue undercover narcotics officer framed scores of black people for selling cocaine. Many pled guilty when they were innocent on plea bargains to get a lighter sentence. Later this was all discovered, and the Governor gave pardons. None of Slim's friends ever believed that he had become a child molester after seventy. Doyle Brunson, one of the most respected men in poker, and one os Slim's best friends and old road partners spoke out on Slim's behalf early on, as did any Texan I know of. Nolan Dalla, Media Director for the World Series, did an interview with Slim pointing to his innocence. It is illogical and downright ignorant to believe that Amarillo Slim was guilty of this when his whole family, friends, writers agree that he was innocent. It is time for poker to honor Slim again, with some time of special life-time achievement. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: AndrewT on May 01, 2012, 11:05:13 AM You know when you agree to plead no contest to keep yourself out of prison you will be forever known and pointed out as a paedophile. If you were guilty and remorseful, you might do what Slim did "to take the plea bargain in order to spare his family from a court trial". If he was innocent, consider the potential downside - he gets found guilty and goes to prison (maybe for the rest of his life) as a nonce. The nut low outcome. A fine, probation, and people muttering as you walk by might seem not so bad an option in comparison. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Graham C on May 01, 2012, 11:06:00 AM Guilty or not, anyone that says "My grandbaby was there and she had one leg [near the gear shift]. I reached over and patted her on the leg and said, "I'll bet that feels good."" doesn't right with me.
Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Woodsey on May 01, 2012, 11:06:12 AM Some (apparently) reasonably balanced facts about the Amarillo allegations are on his Wiki page, here...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarillo_Slim As a quirky aside, I seem to recall that Camel bumped into Mr Slim shortly after the allegations surfaced, in an elevator in Las Vegas, & was stumped for words, he did not know what to say. If YOU encountered him in such a situation, (whilst he was alive), what would YOU have said, or done? None of us know the true facts, of course. And face to face is very different to the internet. Yes, it was at the Commerce Casino in LA, a matter of weeks after the allegations emerged. I was waiting for the lift down to the cardroom and when it arrived he was in there alone. I got in, but didn't know where to look. Couldn't be more awkward. I wished immediately I had let the lift go and waited until it was empty. I understand and broadly agree with everything Tom says about hating witch hunts. However, when it comes to child abuse, it is the one crime I believe any innocent man would not plea bargain. You know when you agree to plead no contest to keep yourself out of prison you will be forever known and pointed out as a paedophile. If you were guilty and remorseful, you might do what Slim did "to take the plea bargain in order to spare his family from a court trial". To my mind, he'll always be a scumbag. THAT (enboldened) is the bit that fascinates me, some very interesting psychology going off inside our heads in those spots. The stereotype has us clearing our throats, & looking at our shoes, all sort of awkward. The internet is full of heroes that will write stuff on the net but wouldn't have the nuts to say the same thing face to face, that is just life I afraid. I've known a fair few people get a good kicking for talking smack on the internet to other people that they would never have said in real life to them. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: smashedagain on May 01, 2012, 11:17:56 AM I never knew of him being a wrong un and the plea bargin appears to be an admission of guilt. I actually feel weird about starting the thread. Had I met the guy in real life I would have told him how I appreciated his life's work in helping make poker what it is today. Had I known about the other stuff I would imagine I would have just looked down at the floor.
Having said that I shared a lift with Kara Scott and Brian Hastings just after the stuff about him and his mates sharing info and playing against Victor Blom came out. Whilst my friend was making small talk with Kara I told Brian I thought he had done something pretty scummy to a person who at the time was re igniting some interest back into poker. Tbf he gave a pretty good account of himself and whilst he did not agree it was cheating he could understand why people viewed him in a bad light. I then wished him good luck for the rest of the tournament :( Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Graham C on May 01, 2012, 11:19:00 AM Having said that I shared a lift with Kara Scott Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: smashedagain on May 01, 2012, 11:24:41 AM And having read the 2+2 post from skippy I now feel bad about calling him a wrong un .... The guy has died and I want to try and remember the good side and the legendary tales
Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: smashedagain on May 01, 2012, 11:26:20 AM Having said that I shared a lift with Kara Scott Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Beaver808 on May 01, 2012, 11:37:57 AM You get hate mail? Seriousy? The term "jealousy mail" is probably more apt... Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: sm00035 on May 01, 2012, 11:39:08 AM Interview with Nolan Dalla http://www.pokerlistings.com/a-legend-lost-amarillo-slim-breaks-his-silence-pt-1-38457 Personally I'd like to see a bit more evidence before ever remembering the guy as a child abuser. Oh dear mate Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: Gazza on May 01, 2012, 11:45:46 AM Having said that I shared a lift with Kara Scott She's with Brian Townsend, no? Hastings played isildur and won like 4 million, Townsend helped analyse his game. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: tikay on May 01, 2012, 12:15:35 PM Personally I don't talk to strangers in lifts anyhow, so I don't see how it's awkward. Anyway, here's a Johnny Hughes post on the 2+2 thread (I got it from the google cache, since 2+2 is down): Quote from: Johnny Hughes Night before last, Shawn Rice called me to tell me Slim was in hospice care. Shawn was Slim's protege at pool and poker since he was 19. He says Slim is the greatest hustler in the world. Shawn and I play some in the same poker game. He is a great guy. I wrote to Crandell Addington and Doyle Brunson. Crandell wrote back that he and Doyle will be the last two Texas road gamblers left, "dinosaurs" he said. None of the people who know Slim here in Texas think he was guilty of this charge. Doyle traveled with Slim for years, and Shawn did later. If he was a freak, those cloest to him would have known it. They all defend him, as Doyle Brunson has done this very morning! It is a usual TwoPlusTwo deal that many who have read little about the case make lying, false statements. Some years back, Amarillo Slim granddaughter accused him of inappropriately touching her. She has publicly recanted, and said she made it all up. All members of Amarillo Slim's family, including her parents stand behind Slim. Slim pled NO CONTEST to a misdemeanor assault charge that was NOT a sex charge on a plea bargain. Posters on here routinely say that Slim pled GUILTY OF A SEX CHARGE. If he had, he would be required to register as a sex offender for life. Poker sites routinely say he pldd guilty. There is a huge difference! Some bargain! You would have to know how it works in West Texas. They told him this: Option One: Plead no contest to a lesser, non sex c charge that does not mention or have anything to do with sex, pay a small fine and leave the building. Option Two: Be charged with felony sexual assault. Face a jury and possible life in prison. Life? or a fine? Choose. Amarillo Slim had plead NO CONTEST to gambling, vagrancy charges several times, as had I. When we pled NO CONTEST to vagrancy by association, it didn't mean we were broke, didn't have a residence, or anything much. It was the cost of doing business for a gambler. In Tulia, Texas, one lying rogue undercover narcotics officer framed scores of black people for selling cocaine. Many pled guilty when they were innocent on plea bargains to get a lighter sentence. Later this was all discovered, and the Governor gave pardons. None of Slim's friends ever believed that he had become a child molester after seventy. Doyle Brunson, one of the most respected men in poker, and one os Slim's best friends and old road partners spoke out on Slim's behalf early on, as did any Texan I know of. Nolan Dalla, Media Director for the World Series, did an interview with Slim pointing to his innocence. It is illogical and downright ignorant to believe that Amarillo Slim was guilty of this when his whole family, friends, writers agree that he was innocent. It is time for poker to honor Slim again, with some time of special life-time achievement. Thanks for posting that, Mr Skip, it certainly gives a bit of balance to the opposite view so prevalent. I think it's very important not to take fixed views on these things, to have the ability to at least try & see the other side. I don't know what to think, really, but unless I had clear proof, I think I'd be civil to him. Do as thy will be done works well in most cases. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: neeko on May 02, 2012, 01:09:04 PM He got a full page obit in the Times today.
Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: luther101 on May 02, 2012, 02:09:41 PM Mmmmm .... 'tricky one'.
As his grand-daughter later withdrew the allegations - could he have been 'saving' her from the embarassment/shame of appearing in court and having to admit her lies? The fact that her parents backed Mr Slim speaks volumes .... any parent whose child has been molested would - rightly - want the offender's head removed slowly with a rusty bow saw! As for 'plea bargaining' - apart from not dragging the g/daughter into the witness box - who would place their trust/life at the mercy of a court/jury? They've hardly got an amazing track record of getting things right either side of the Pond! Also - no Legal Aid on The Land of the 'Free' maybe he simply couldn't afford to contest? The 'evidence' ..... a Grandad patted his g/daughter on the knee - that's noncing? RIP to the old fellah ..... case not proven. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: SuuPRlim on May 04, 2012, 11:22:50 PM I read his book way before all the child abuse stuff, not really up to speed on the story so cant comment but his book is brilliant.
Gonna to read up on the story now Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: the sicilian on May 05, 2012, 04:42:26 AM Hmmmm.... I believe we live in a society where someone is innocent until proven guilty...sod trusting some of you lot to make an objective decision if my head was on the line..mind you I fancy I could make a run for it whilst you were sharpening your pitchforks and lighting those torches...
Although I had to laugh at child molestation being compared to some shady Internet poker scam. Slightly off topic but I think sometimes we have become over sensitive to possible nonces. Where as it's good to be aware at possible dangers to our children I feel the fact that at my youngest childs school they have now banned parents from attending sports day.. This after banning filming of sports day the previous year. The worst example was when my daughter was playing the violin in a multi school concert. I was asked to stop filming my child who like every other pupil was fully dressed in school uniform. I mean for Christ sake it wasn't like they were running around in gym knickers and I was randomly filming all and sundry. This added to the fact it made me feel I was doing something wrong and dirty. Some common sense and the need to jump on the proverbial bandwagon need to be addressed. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: TightEnd on May 06, 2012, 10:45:24 AM Victoria Corens' column in the Observer today
http://bit.ly/K2POka Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: kinboshi on May 06, 2012, 11:59:10 AM Victoria Corens' column in the Observer today http://bit.ly/K2POka Some of the comments posted are an interesting insight as to how some 'muggles' view poker. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: notatroll on May 06, 2012, 01:02:32 PM Mmmmm .... 'tricky one'. As his grand-daughter later withdrew the allegations - could he have been 'saving' her from the embarassment/shame of appearing in court and having to admit her lies? The fact that her parents backed Mr Slim speaks volumes .... any parent whose child has been molested would - rightly - want the offender's head removed slowly with a rusty bow saw! As for 'plea bargaining' - apart from not dragging the g/daughter into the witness box - who would place their trust/life at the mercy of a court/jury? They've hardly got an amazing track record of getting things right either side of the Pond! Also - no Legal Aid on The Land of the 'Free' maybe he simply couldn't afford to contest? The 'evidence' ..... a Grandad patted his g/daughter on the knee - that's noncing? RIP to the old fellah ..... case not proven. Wish I hadn't opened this thread as I now feel compelled to post. I knew/know nothing of the guy in any capacity, and wasn't aware of the allegations against him. I'm also a strong believer in 'innocent until proven guilty', but people will speculate. Whilst I agree with almost all of luther101's post, I just wanted to pick up on the emboldened point. I don't think we can reach the conclusion that that 'speaks volumes' at all. It's a perhaps surprising, but sad, fact that parents of molested children won't always react in the way we might expect them to, especially when the perpetrator is another family member - so many shades of grey. Title: Re: Rip Amarillo Slim Preston Post by: david3103 on May 10, 2012, 03:12:36 PM The pulchritudinous Ms Coren's view...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/06/victoria-coren-amarillo-slim-poker?INTCMP=SRCH |