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With the fairly tight/nitty dynamics of the game these days does anybody have an idea what this reg is more likely to have here? He's Polish, and a decent winner.

Small raise pre I know, but tikkamor1 had gone berzerk the previous few hands and I was fully expecting him to jam over the top.

***** Hand History for Game 79861553505 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, May 03, 05:16:20 ET 2012
Table 571010534 79 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: kogoj ( $30346.00 USD )
Seat 2: Garrincha7 ( $14257.00 USD )
Seat 3: husajn54 ( $24109.00 USD )
Seat 4: Method999 ( $3547.00 USD )
Seat 5: PietjeBel99 ( $42125.00 USD )
Seat 6: Ultraballs18 ( $33399.00 USD )
Seat 7: marynarz1980 ( $33290.00 USD )
Seat 8: tikkamor1 ( $11016.00 USD )
Seat 9: davjon ( $21635.00 USD )
kogoj posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Garrincha7 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
husajn54 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Method999 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
PietjeBel99 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Ultraballs18 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
marynarz1980 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
tikkamor1 posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
davjon posts ante of [$75.00 USD].
Ultraballs18 posts small blind [$400.00 USD].
marynarz1980 posts big blind [$800.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [  Kc Ks ]
tikkamor1 calls [$800.00 USD]
davjon folds
kogoj folds
Garrincha7 folds
husajn54 folds
Method999 folds
PietjeBel99 folds
Ultraballs18 raises [$1850.00 USD]
marynarz1980 calls [$1450.00 USD]
tikkamor1 calls [$1450.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Td, 8d ]
Ultraballs18 bets [$3570.00 USD]
marynarz1980 raises [$30965.00 USD]
tikkamor1 folds

Had around 30 hands on him at 35/26/8. Is he more likely jamming AdXd,KdXd,KQo,99,J9 on a semi bluff or is he jamming 79s,Q9s,88,TT,JJ,8Ts,TJs protecting from a flush draw? Under normal circumstances I'd take all the sets out of his range from his action pre, but with my reasoning for a small raise in mind I'm not so sure? I think it's a fairly easy fold either way, just interested in people's thoughts. Ta

dont like ti when he flats behind, cant we jsut stove this?

Well obv stoving it is pretty pointless as we need 80% equity to call.

Just thought it was one of those situations that might warrant a HERO call sometimes ie vs a specific opponent. Thought somebody may have some decent notes on the guy and be willing to divulge his tendencies a little.

No harm in asking eh! :p

if you make a pussy sized raise you deserve to get punished. way more pre then we can talk

oh its not as small as first thought, should still make it at least 2600 though if hes limping in hes probably a bit of an idiot and unlikely to fold might as well print some money

+1

normally when someone limps in... I x2 the bb and add one bb onto  it so it would be no less then 2400 on this occasion normally a good rule to use. I always slightly adjust it to the villain as well but i would be going no less then 2400 all the way to 3k pre on this one.

never folding

Check flop

Lot of turn cards are either scary for us, or are action killers so are we checking for pot control or deception?

against a good player I'd check here a decent % of the time for balance (never cbetting AK here), pot control (we're never in great shape vs a getting it in range probably 40-60%) and deception.

Having said that, I see that the guy has limp/called meaning he's probably a fish and also probably doesn't ever have a set so I probably wouldn't check vs this guy.

Btw you say there a lots of bad turn cards, on the face of it there are, but I would only count a Q 9 A or a 7 as a bad turn card, so that's only about 30% of the deck, so it's not that bad.

In cEV terms you can only ever 'need' up to 50% equity to call as you're always getting at least even money. In practice even vs massive over bets you'll almost always be getting odds to call with 45% equity. I agree this is a fold tho.

What about the diamonds, are they not bad cards for us too?

What are you going to be beating? Realistically?


Yeah I worded that incorrectly, I meant the pot odds which are of course only a part of calculating the equity needed.

I also agree with Al that this is a check. I would check here a lot of the time and I should have done so this time, as I hadn't thought about what I'd do if the bb jammed. I was totally concentrating on just the limper which was my fundamental mistake in this hand. Apart from not making it enough pre. Sigh

Not really, can expect people to bet flush draws a lot on the flop, particularly on this board where lots of diamond combos will have added equity of pairs or gutshots. So if it gets checked round and a diamond comes its not very likely anyone has a flush.

I think this is a pretty easy bet call tbh.  If he's bad enough to limp call from utg then he's bad enough to cshove any jack here.  A lot of these fishy players have no thoughts on what you have they just concentrate on their own hands and if they make a pair or not.  Tons of flush draws we're in good shape against as well i think its a huge leak if we don't call here.

Really hope its not a results orientated post and he actually has a set here but I'm still never folding.

With a limper i make it 3.3x pre every time.

Never checking back this flop vs 2 players, not because of 'scare cards' but purely because we miss value from soooooo many draws.