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Title: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 05, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
PokerStars Hand #79949557974: Tournament #552672234, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/05/05 11:13:50 ET
Table '552672234 16' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: floppinhel (2925 in chips)
Seat 2: richlynx (2840 in chips)
Seat 3: Gembaa (1905 in chips)
Seat 4: Bormysh (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (3268 in chips)
Seat 6: mikeiq888 (4075 in chips)
Seat 7: nandor82 (7449 in chips)
Seat 8: flopped6810 (2546 in chips)
Seat 9: luuk1980 (2457 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind 25
mikeiq888: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Kh 6s]
nandor82: folds
flopped6810: folds
luuk1980: folds
floppinhel: folds
richlynx: folds
Gembaa: folds
Bormysh: folds
HERO: raises 85 to 135
mikeiq888: calls 85
*** FLOP *** [4d 7h 2h]
HERO: bets 167
mikeiq888: raises 167 to 334
HERO: calls 167
*** TURN *** [4d 7h 2h] [Tc]
HERO: checks
mikeiq888: bets 550
HERO: raises 2249 to 2799 and is all-in
mikeiq888: folds


Thought process was he can have alot of draws that won't call off to an all in, reli hard for him to have a legitimate value hand, thought this would work a good enough % of the time. otf when I call on the flop and c-r all in on the turn I think my hands looks pretty strong, like Txhh, sets, t7, could even take this line with qq+.

flame away :)


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: cambridgealex on May 05, 2012, 05:40:57 PM
Doesn't look OK no!

edit: in fact it looks like awful awful no equity complete and utter spew!


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: cambridgealex on May 05, 2012, 05:43:06 PM
PokerStars Hand #79949557974: Tournament #552672234, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/05/05 11:13:50 ET
Table '552672234 16' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: floppinhel (2925 in chips)
Seat 2: richlynx (2840 in chips)
Seat 3: Gembaa (1905 in chips)
Seat 4: Bormysh (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: John Black (3268 in chips)
Seat 6: mikeiq888 (4075 in chips)
Seat 7: nandor82 (7449 in chips)
Seat 8: flopped6810 (2546 in chips)
Seat 9: luuk1980 (2457 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind 25
mikeiq888: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to John Black [Kh 6s]
nandor82: folds
flopped6810: folds
luuk1980: folds
floppinhel: folds
richlynx: folds
Gembaa: folds
Bormysh: folds
John Black : raises 85 to 135
mikeiq888: calls 85
*** FLOP *** [4d 7h 2h]
John Black : bets 167
mikeiq888: raises 167 to 334
John Black : calls 167
*** TURN *** [4d 7h 2h] [Tc]
John Black : checks
mikeiq888: bets 550
John Black : raises 2249 to 2799 and is all-in
mikeiq888: folds


fyp surely?


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 05, 2012, 05:44:45 PM
fwiw this isn't my standard line at all, i'd been pounding on him pretty hard up to this point, felt he was way more likely to be making a move than usual


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 05, 2012, 05:52:44 PM
Doesn't look OK no!

edit: in fact it looks like awful awful no equity complete and utter spew!

on reflection, does seem rather spewy. lesson learned  ;izimbra;


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: EvilPie on May 05, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
fwiw this isn't my standard line at all, i'd been pounding on him pretty hard up to this point, felt he was way more likely to be making a move than usual

You may want to reword this bit slightly.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 05, 2012, 06:59:03 PM
fwiw this isn't my standard line at all, i'd been pounding on him pretty hard up to this point, felt he was way more likely to be making a move than usual

You may want to reword this bit slightly.

sigh this whole thread is just a fail haha.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: Honeybadger on May 05, 2012, 08:13:41 PM
We all get carried away and spew from time to time. A good starting point in the never-ending journey of cutting spew out of your game is to decide NEVER to make this type of play unless you have at least some equity. Zero equity bluffs are the most costly of all when you get them wrong, since you get no 'discount' on your bluff. The maths is extremely unforgiving when you have no outs, and is actually surprisingly forgiving if you have even a slither of equity. For example, if you had as little as a nutshot here then this would still be spewy and unnecessary, but it would be nowhere near as terrible.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: pleno1 on May 05, 2012, 08:43:38 PM
pre is a fold too obv


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 05, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
pre is a fold too obv

what's the worst hand you're opening bob in this spot?

felt pretty embarrassed with this hand after I posted it tbh, but I think it's good to admit to spew, otherwise we'll never learn eh.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: cambridgealex on May 05, 2012, 08:54:11 PM
I spew all the time.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: smashedagain on May 05, 2012, 08:59:51 PM
I spew all the time.
You win comps a lot too tho :)


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: pleno1 on May 05, 2012, 11:43:03 PM
pre is a fold too obv

what's the worst hand you're opening bob in this spot?

felt pretty embarrassed with this hand after I posted it tbh, but I think it's good to admit to spew, otherwise we'll never learn eh.

How was he adjusting or more likely reacting to your spew. Remember you're still vv early in the comp. you most likely weren't pounding him, I also assume you were only playing one table, Amirite? Online is vvv hard to play 1table, live you can stare at the dealers tits, talk to someone about football etc and whilst you can ofc browse the Internet it's still extremely hard to play 1 table and not level yourself or get tied to a hand which I assume happened here.

I would open Q10s+ j9s+ k9s+ 22+  j10o+ 89s some other suited connectors and then a10+.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 06, 2012, 10:14:30 AM
A good starting point in the never-ending journey of cutting spew out of your game is to decide NEVER to make this type of play unless you have at least some equity.

Seriously write this down on a post-it note and stick it on the front of your computer.

You can be in a terrific spot to bluff, but still turn it down because you have no equity when called. When attempting thesee types of plays, look for a) FOLD EQUITY, b) EQUITY WHEN CALLED. A decent bit of a) and a lil bit of b) and you're good to go.

You don't need to win every spot


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: MANTIS01 on May 06, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
Good advice on offer here. If you bet your whole stack with no hand no draw at 25/50 something is rotten in Denmark.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 06, 2012, 01:13:16 PM
pre is a fold too obv

what's the worst hand you're opening bob in this spot?

felt pretty embarrassed with this hand after I posted it tbh, but I think it's good to admit to spew, otherwise we'll never learn eh.

How was he adjusting or more likely reacting to your spew. Remember you're still vv early in the comp. you most likely weren't pounding him, I also assume you were only playing one table, Amirite? Online is vvv hard to play 1table, live you can stare at the dealers tits, talk to someone about football etc and whilst you can ofc browse the Internet it's still extremely hard to play 1 table and not level yourself or get tied to a hand which I assume happened here.

I would open Q10s+ j9s+ k9s+ 22+  j10o+ 89s some other suited connectors and then a10+.

Yeh this was pretty early on in my grind so didn't have many tournies open, I normally play 6-8 tables otherwise I find it hard to reli focus. Ty for the advice
A good starting point in the never-ending journey of cutting spew out of your game is to decide NEVER to make this type of play unless you have at least some equity.

Seriously write this down on a post-it note and stick it on the front of your computer.

You can be in a terrific spot to bluff, but still turn it down because you have no equity when called. When attempting thesee types of plays, look for a) FOLD EQUITY, b) EQUITY WHEN CALLED. A decent bit of a) and a lil bit of b) and you're good to go.

You don't need to win every spot

Honeybadger and lildave crush these PHAs. It's really funny rereading this whole thread the next day, swear with poker you look back and just think lol WTF was I doing. stuff at the time can seem logical/standard when it reli isn't eh.  But yeh, not an excuse but this is a relative one off, for the most part I have at least some equity ha, I'll save the zero equity stuff for Mr Black!


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: jgcblack on May 06, 2012, 07:59:43 PM
ouch btw! this kinda stuff hurts my invincible and pain resistant skin.......

I am cured of my spew - tyvm.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 06, 2012, 08:01:31 PM
ouch btw! this kinda stuff hurts my invincible and pain resistant skin.......

I am cured of my spew - tyvm.

Haha don't take offence sir, I love the hhs on your diary, spew moar please :)


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: jgcblack on May 06, 2012, 10:15:49 PM
ouch btw! this kinda stuff hurts my invincible and pain resistant skin.......

I am cured of my spew - tyvm.

Haha don't take offence sir, I love the hhs on your diary, spew moar please :)

Spew? SPEW???

oh no no no... I think you've confused me for someone else, I am the John Black who has achieved lvl 54 status and I'm afraid you gents just haven't caught up yet.

definitely not spew.

:D

no more spew tomorrow I hope... get to the FT and just get it done!


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: SuuPRlim on May 07, 2012, 11:26:38 AM
haha you little spew monkeying heros you guys :D

Seriously dont worry yourself too much, we all do it, quite a bit, you feel that boiling up inside you and you're well aware what you're about to do is terrible but you can't stop yourself. Eventually, with some experience you can hold back 25%, then 50% then 75%, then maybe 95-97%% of these impulses and you'll do just fine, just one of those things :)

To quote Geeforce "Some hands just aren't meant to be" if you win 20% of the pots you enter in your life you'll likely die very rich.


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: cambridgealex on May 07, 2012, 12:17:05 PM
Mike's actually deece, wanna get him on board the Goulden Empire but he's fking off to the city to be a big shot wanker banker hahaha im hilarious


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rfgqqabc on May 12, 2012, 03:02:51 PM
In the vein of a tree falling in a wood, does it matter if he is folding like all the time? Plus we have a king ball, and the joys of shouting kingball for the boys if we get there. I like it tbh


Title: Re: Blind on blind in a $55 tourney versus a 'recreational player' - is my line OK?
Post by: rbc_mike on May 13, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
we have a king ball, and the joys of shouting kingball for the boys if we get there.

this was a big part of my thought process :D