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Typing this on my phone so I hope it comes off ok. Its a live one two game and everyone has 250 big stacks. It folds to me in the cutoff and I open to 7. A good aggressive regular raises to 24 from the small blind. What would you do with these hands.

 Ks 9s.
 Td Th
 Aspades 2s
 7s  6s
 Ahrt Js
Qc Ahrt

Presuming there is some degree of history over time, he has 3bet/5bet light before but very rarely. He knows I've 4bet light before. How much does this change if we are out of position? A lot less peels presumably but with slightly more 4betting?

I'd be peeling all of those probably lol.

Only hands I'd 4b would be A2ss and K9ss that aren't really strong enough to peel and are good hands to have as part of our 4b bluffing range. I'd only 4b those hands sometimes, and sometimes fold and sometimes call, all with different frequencies villain dependant.

I'd 4b to get in TT vs someone really aggresive will high 5b bluffing tendancies, but you said this guy 5b bluffed rarely.

Yes flatting the 3bet looks best with all these hands. Nice spot to be in; 250bbs deep with position, and with hands that either can flop top of the range bluff-catchers or are great for semi-bluffing.

we have 250 dorra or 250 bigs?

a2s looks like a fold, aj probably a 4b/fold, 10's a 4b/call, k9s 4b/f

If we are ~100bbs deep I agree with all of this. 250bbs deep and in position we should be peeling very wide in late position dynamics imo.

yep

Probs 4b AQo and AJo, peel the rest.

Ok, so with the sizing. we have a stack to pot of about 10, how does this change if we increase the spr to 15, or reduce it to 7.5. At some stack depth 4betting a lot becomes preferable right? Is this ratio unseen in actual games, because presumably you have to peel the 5bet at some point. 4 betting/6betting tens would suck vs this guy, whose getting it in tight, with a bluff range of x%.

How much does your 4bet% change if your opponent 3bets a range that consists of aces through jacks, ace king to ace jack, with a smaller air ball percentage. Is it best just to get stove out and have a play myself? In second question villain folds ace jack and ace queen as well as bluffs to a 4bet, probably jacks too. His 3bet range is fairly static when looking at positions

This is good

If we are now 100 big blinds deep, how would people play these hands, most now become either 4 bet  sometimes or fold depending on the villain? Peeling with 1010 doesnt seem like a good idea if we expect the villain to only be 3 betting 10s+ and ak.

Edit: this is assuming villain is 3 betting 10s+ and ak

it doesnt matter if you are online or live.... it matters on who the villain is.

Live games ttypically play deeper tho, so felt important in the title, good point still.

it doesnt matter though?live your x deep, online your x deep.

of course it matters, they're totally different beasts, no point in having a discussion about both, it's like discussing "how do you play AK?"

Less play when short, less room for manoeuvre post, less need for 2/3 barrels etc

lol misunderstanding me, nerverrmind :)

in Live poker you get a much better (or easier I should say) understanding of dynamics and game flow which are pretty crucial when in this spot with all these hands. For the most part though you'll never go far wrong peeling them all.

AQo + TT I would consider 3betting just primarily for value dependent on who it was and how they were playing, AJo I think if I was less comfortable post-flop vs this player I'd 3bet-fold it pretty happily, and as Alex says A2 and K9s might be worth 3beting sometimes depending on the villain, usually the more polarized you think his 3bets are then the more you might want to 3bet those two hands, coupled with how much you think he'll 4bet. So like PLENO says it really is quite villain dependant.

As stu said though, 250+ deep you'll never make a mistake peeling any of those and having it as your default before really grasping the table's flow is prolly ftw.

I agree with this (I think). It is more important to assess the individual variables (Stack Depth, Villain's 3b range etc) than to make generic assumptions (Live or Online).

I would be careful flatting the 3b with all these hands as although the responses in this thread show how difficult it is to 3b OOP, we need to make sure we are going to play very well post flop.
The +EV of flatting AJ,76,K9 and A2 if we play well are outweighed by the -EV if we don't.
AQ and TT are a definite flat for me. 4b I am not keen on but am interested in the opinions of those who would.
AJ is a great 4b bluff candidate, A2 and K9 are ok.

I would have said the opposite to this.
If villain has a depolarised range then flatting the 3b rather than 4b (which I assume you mean when you say 3b?), just allows him to dominate us more?
If we 4b a polarised range then he has (assuming it is constituted reasonably correctly) an easy response, but if we 4b a depolarised range then we are going to force him to fold some reasonably valuable hands?

if we're playing vs somebody aggro then extneding our range to 10s and aq is super standard as they will 3b/5b pocket pairs and Ax a tonne, as well as random broadway spews, both of the above hands do extremely well vs an extended 5b range.

Only 3 people capable of 5 betting and I'm one. Woody is another but not sure he'd go mental post without believing I am. I think you vastly overestimate the play in there games. Its all post, no reason to 3/4 bet when you can keep the fish in. In tougher games this makes a lot of sense tho. Do you balance peel range with premiums if your 4betting ace queen and tens etc?