peeling 3bets: live theory post

[rfgqqabc]

Typing this on my phone so I hope it comes off ok. Its a live one two game and everyone has 250 big stacks. It folds to me in the cutoff and I open to 7. A good aggressive regular raises to 24 from the small blind. What would you do with these hands.

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Presuming there is some degree of history over time, he has 3bet/5bet light before but very rarely. He knows I've 4bet light before. How much does this change if we are out of position? A lot less peels presumably but with slightly more 4betting?

[cambridgealex]

I'd be peeling all of those probably lol.

Only hands I'd 4b would be A2ss and K9ss that aren't really strong enough to peel and are good hands to have as part of our 4b bluffing range. I'd only 4b those hands sometimes, and sometimes fold and sometimes call, all with different frequencies villain dependant.

I'd 4b to get in TT vs someone really aggresive will high 5b bluffing tendancies, but you said this guy 5b bluffed rarely.

[Honeybadger]

Yes flatting the 3bet looks best with all these hands. Nice spot to be in; 250bbs deep with position, and with hands that either can flop top of the range bluff-catchers or are great for semi-bluffing.

[pleno1]

we have 250 dorra or 250 bigs?

[pleno1]

a2s looks like a fold, aj probably a 4b/fold, 10's a 4b/call, k9s 4b/f

[Honeybadger]

a2s looks like a fold, aj probably a 4b/fold, 10's a 4b/call, k9s 4b/f

If we are ~100bbs deep I agree with all of this. 250bbs deep and in position we should be peeling very wide in late position dynamics imo.

[pleno1]

a2s looks like a fold, aj probably a 4b/fold, 10's a 4b/call, k9s 4b/f

If we are ~100bbs deep I agree with all of this. 250bbs deep and in position we should be peeling very wide in late position dynamics imo.

yep

[skolsuper]

Probs 4b AQo and AJo, peel the rest.

[rfgqqabc]

Ok, so with the sizing. we have a stack to pot of about 10, how does this change if we increase the spr to 15, or reduce it to 7.5. At some stack depth 4betting a lot becomes preferable right? Is this ratio unseen in actual games, because presumably you have to peel the 5bet at some point. 4 betting/6betting tens would suck vs this guy, whose getting it in tight, with a bluff range of x%.

How much does your 4bet% change if your opponent 3bets a range that consists of aces through jacks, ace king to ace jack, with a smaller air ball percentage. Is it best just to get stove out and have a play myself? In second question villain folds ace jack and ace queen as well as bluffs to a 4bet, probably jacks too. His 3bet range is fairly static when looking at positions

[muckthenuts]

Only hands I'd 4b would be A2ss and K9ss that aren't really strong enough to peel and are good hands to have as part of our 4b bluffing range. I'd only 4b those hands sometimes, and sometimes fold and sometimes call, all with different frequencies villain dependant.

This is good

[rbolt2]

If we are now 100 big blinds deep, how would people play these hands, most now become either 4 bet  sometimes or fold depending on the villain? Peeling with 1010 doesnt seem like a good idea if we expect the villain to only be 3 betting 10s+ and ak.

Edit: this is assuming villain is 3 betting 10s+ and ak

[pleno1]

it doesnt matter if you are online or live.... it matters on who the villain is.

[rfgqqabc]

it doesnt matter if you are online or live.... it matters on who the villain is.

Live games ttypically play deeper tho, so felt important in the title, good point still.

[pleno1]

it doesnt matter though?live your x deep, online your x deep.

[cambridgealex]

it doesnt matter though?live your x deep, online your x deep.

of course it matters, they're totally different beasts, no point in having a discussion about both, it's like discussing "how do you play AK?"