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okay this sickens me. live tourney I have myself down as a decent person for live reads at the table, as it goes so far I have one showdown pot where I lead the agression with 77 on 234KQ all streets vs A5
I've been seeing about 1:7 flops.

RIGHT THE HAND IN QUESTION...
the table maniac is an old Italian looking guy and is hyper aggressive/passive after 4th street he limps for 200
folds to me in the HIJACK I make it 500 to play knowing I have respect to my left.
Folds to BB who flats, young guy looks like he has game. made a couple squeezes to isolate calling stations previously. so I'm sure a flat here means he is holding a weak hand to draw with as I imagine in his position I'd 3bet any decent pair big suited ace ect..

level 3 100/200 30 min clock £20 1R/A (10k stacks)
me 10700
bb 14k
utg just under 10k


FLOP  Aspades 4d 8s 1600 in pot
BB decides to 10sec tank before checking. utg checks. I lead 1/2 pot 800
BB throws in the chips quite assertively. I now think he thinks I'm bluffing and wants to float me n take it down later with a C/R
UTG comes for the ride.
TURN CARD 5s 4000 in pot
they both check again to me I lead for 900 wanting the C/R from BB and he does it!!!
BB makes it 3k
UTG now tank flats this bet like the maniac he is
I now SHIP my 9k making it 6k to go
I get a sigh call from BB
UTG then decided he is coming along
BB shows  6d 4c
UTG shows  Ks Th
I made sure I was last to show and I couldn't belive what's hands I'm getting called off with
NOT SO HERO shows 9d 2s
RIVER Qh

I have no explanation to how they made this play. especially BB as I'm sure just from his body language he knows the game well and is never good in this spot!?

I found this hand so unorthodox it had to be posted

Fold pre

I'm not asking where I went wrong or advice, I'd still make that shove and play my 92o
just when playing this hand for stacks how can theses guys make these calls against my play.
you saying I shouldn't of jammed here if I could of had a real time view of my opponents cards on the turn..?

Was the 92 at least suited?

Why in hell are we doing this? Assuming you think you have an edge in that comp, so why the fuck do we put ourself in this spot in the first place? The whole point in having an edge in a tournament is to not take ridic high variance lines with no hand/outs, but exploit our edge in lots of small pots and use that image to win big ones when we have it. Just fold pre for christs sake.

Just do not do this. Ever. EVERRRR. Unless Im at your table, then please carry on. Its plays like this that change people from +EV to fish. Yeah maybe youve made a read that nobody has it, but theyre live fish and not folding a good flush draw EVER, and the other guy has a pair and a straight draw ffs. You do realise these are the guys that sit and moan how card dead they are after 3 hands?

Btw its not called 4th street. Its called Middle Position 2. 4th street is a term used in stud for the second round of betting where players have 4 cards (hence 4th street).

/rant

(Apologies if I sound a bit of a dick here, just dont understand why people do this lol. Was meant to be alot more constructive but Im tired and grumpy :D)

Sorry mate, but I have to say your read is anything but perfect, it is in fact terrible imo (no offense meant of course). You should know that you are not likely to be getting many folds here in live poker especially as you have described the EP limper. He is likely to call you with a bare high spade which you can't beat.

Not sure about the BB, pre is OK I guess and his raise on the turn is OK if that was his plan all along (although he should have of course shoved really) but he should know about the EP position player too so I would be putting him on a stronger range if I am honest. He has to call when you ship it which is why he should shove rather than raise 3K. His play is questionable with the EP station in the pot.

Based entirely on this one hand and the way you describe it the game sounds VERY easy to beat, get a good hand and bet it, But raising an EP limper, who is basically a calling station, with 92o is not the way to do it, you don't even need live reads here. Just don't bluff in these games especially when there are still cards to come.

If this is a level - wp btw.

FYP

Broadway?

Obviously OP is a gimmick/joke account and is levelling. To be fair, there is some gold in this post. Particularly love how due to his live reads he is expecting the turn c/r, and then is of course happy when it occurs.

However the post is still a fail, because the river should have come the 3c. That way hero deservedly wins the pot, after completely outfoxing both his opponents by inducing them to put their money in against him with just one pair and King high respectively.

I think you got unlucky

I would have folded ths hand preflop as, even with my bluffs in position against a weak player, it is still nice to be able to make a hand.

There really is no need to be a hero. Just make hands and get paid.

Your perfect read should have told you that live donks like myself don't like folding.

For JK - what I am implying is the maniac UTG will spew off pre and on the flop with air but gets away at the turn (4th street) when faced with major aggression.

For Rod - how is my read terrible? I believe me and BB seemed to just get too tangled with each other and had never expected UTG to come for the ride, let alone check calling me down then over calling my all in and BB's call. Id like to ask you if with no history with these players and a non donk image at the table would you not have jammed the turn if you knew what they were holding!?

For - Jjandellis not sure that anyone has ever watched me in even one session or tourney.

I'd just like to note FYI blondes, I have a seriously strong feeling when it comes to live reads. before I even saw my hole cards here I knew from my position I could use my chips effectively unless faced with a 3bet pre from any of the 4 to my left, just from sitting down at the table seeing my players I instantly know who I can bluff, who would think I know how to play, who doesn't
know, who plays abc, who is a donk. just from little things like asking the dealer if this is table 1 seat 4, or straight on to telling the person next to them a bad beat story or whipping out their music and getting their serious face on. I then recall how people put chips in, softly/rolled off/ flicked in/ spread out ect.


Any how I then represent a decent board respectively. I stay clear of certain flops and don't just start firing thinking okay he flat here must be weak.
On this board an ace or flush draw is certainly in my range, I knew maniac was no good.  and just from the look on BB face he wanted to outplay me.

I want to become as good as possible and understand as much as I can.  as soon as I have a so called 'roll' for playing live things should go well.
Unless I just go on a spewy mayhem because I'm in love with outplaying people :/

What?

well obviously you don't

And I'm pretty sure that answers the question about having a terrible read on the game and the players

lol okay overstatement of the year. but I have dealt the game for two years and must have dealt over 100k hands. I've always been fascinated with psychology. And have seen what such different players do in accordance to bet sizing/bodly language/say in so many positions/situations. Seen such better ways people could have played. called in my head so many of their exact holdings and folds. after just over 1hr of play on this tourney I felt confident that cards were regardless in this position. I know their will be haters for this but I think I have a mental edge over live games.
My only issue with how I could have played this better would have opened 4x as live players don't understand anything less.

I know that it is, but I want this to not be a level SO SO SO badly

<3 Oxford HRV :)up

I think people are saying that it's not about outplaying your opponents with extravagant plays. You don't get any more chips for beating players with nothing, and playing against players you've determined aren't great like this is very high variance and unnecessary.

You get that, surely?

(this isn't a level is it?)

Are you Cal Lightman?

I understand what people are implying and I should nit up kinbo, it just hurts to see the calls I got.

Not sure what you guys are implying a level to be?
nothing makes me happier than outplaying in perfect spots. We are over 1hr in and this is my first bluff.
I'm not trying to balance any range of playing premium hands like this, live play I will change my dynamics and strategy consistently, rarely play OOP and try to crush anyone and everyone

triple barrel hard then go home haha

This isn't a level is it?

HRV i think you may just be my new hero.

You love the game in a different way to many in the poker world.

Many love the game when they win, out of everyone i have seen at poker you take losing the best. I know for sure you'd rather get a hero move like this through once in a tourney than win the tourney.

You love the outplaying and fun side of the game regardless of the result, which is good because we are recreational players.

Sometimes in spots like this i have raised and gone down the streets adapting to live tells. without even looking at my cards, we've all heard the story (forgot the name) but when a player won the tourney without-looking at cards just playing positions etc.

If i could see their cards on the turn, i prob don't shove because the guy has K spades, and in these tourneys especially if there's a re-buy or add-on to come people just don't fold, you know that mate.

Pretty sure id do it over the 64 hand though.

Obv we both know that this is a fold pre, but if you get enjoyment from playing the game the way you do why stop, im sure in bigger comps this move would have got through, you just need to adapt to the £20 games and know ppl dont fold.

FWIW I know this isn't a level this guy is just a crazy hero!

Someone inform me what a level is please

this has to be a level!

Just read this on another forum think it might be the same hand. Think he talking about you!

THREAD TITLE: Perfect Reads good enough

okay this makes me well happy. live tourney I have myself down as a decent person for live reads at the table, ive seen this one guy showdown with 77 on 234KQ all streets vs A5
and hes  been seeing about 1:7 flops. He is wearing a hoody and looks young with a bit of game in the tank

RIGHT THE HAND IN QUESTION...

Ive got  6d 4c
the table maniac is an old Italian looking guy and is hyper aggressive/passive after 4th street he limps for 200
folds to the crazy young guy in the HIJACK  makes it 500 to play knowing I will probably respect him
Folds to me, I flat, because i know hes going to barrell all streets so if my 6 high hits i may be good.

level 3 100/200 30 min clock £20 1R/A (10k stacks)
me 10700
bb 14k
utg just under 10k


FLOP  Aspades 4d 8s 1600 in pot

BINGO IVE HIT A 4, THE YOUNG GUY WILL PAY ME!
I tank 10 seconds before checking to level the guy into being sure im weak (obv). utg checks. He leads 1/2 pot 800
I throws in the chips quite assertively, this makes him think that i have nothing and am setting him up for a C/R. (Inside im going all warm because my live reads tell me 6 4 is huge I'm good init)

UTG comes for the ride.
TURN CARD  5s  4000 in pot

We both check again to crazy kid who leads for 900 wanting the C/R from me obv, now my reads tell me hes weak and ive got him on 7 or 9 high atm. I raise for value knowing hell re-jam obv.
I make it 3k
UTG now tank flats this bet like the maniac he is
Young crazy guy now SHIPS his 9k making it 6k more to me   BOOOOOOM (Caught Him) Pair of 4's looks huge! I tank call to drag the UTG guy in because my hand must be good (I have a tell)
UTG then decided he is coming along - DOUBLE BOOM - FIST PUMP!
I show down  6d 4c  WITH PRIDE
UTG shows    Ks Th
Young crazy guy shows  2s 9d really slowly and looks like hes going to fall out of his chair at my amazeballs call.

RIVER  Qc

SCOOOOP!

I have no explanation to how they made this play. I read him perfect knew hed spunk off with 9 high and set up the perfect hand with 6 high, brought him in. Glad i read his blonde post about playing 8 high the other day.

I found this hand so unorthodox it had to be posted, what a crazy individual.

Hahahahahaha  rotflmfao

Took me fooking ages!!

Needs more love!

 ;tightend;

nope!

Hes better than Cal Lightman

In fact he put him out of the job!

This guy is either a level, or so far beyond repair that it's not worth the time typing out a response.

he is just levels upon levels above you kid.

:)up

your username explains all that i know you would say.