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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2012, 08:38:07 PM »

lol okay overstatement of the year. but I have dealt the game for two years and must have dealt over 100k hands. I've always been fascinated with psychology. And have seen what such different players do in accordance to bet sizing/bodly language/say in so many positions/situations. Seen such better ways people could have played. called in my head so many of their exact holdings and folds. after just over 1hr of play on this tourney I felt confident that cards were regardless in this position. I know their will be haters for this but I think I have a mental edge over live games.
My only issue with how I could have played this better would have opened 4x as live players don't understand anything less.
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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2012, 08:56:01 PM »

I know that it is, but I want this to not be a level SO SO SO badly

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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2012, 09:00:35 PM »

I think people are saying that it's not about outplaying your opponents with extravagant plays. You don't get any more chips for beating players with nothing, and playing against players you've determined aren't great like this is very high variance and unnecessary.

You get that, surely?

(this isn't a level is it?)
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2012, 09:02:55 PM »

Are you Cal Lightman?
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2012, 09:11:18 PM »

I understand what people are implying and I should nit up kinbo, it just hurts to see the calls I got.

Not sure what you guys are implying a level to be?
nothing makes me happier than outplaying in perfect spots. We are over 1hr in and this is my first bluff.
I'm not trying to balance any range of playing premium hands like this, live play I will change my dynamics and strategy consistently, rarely play OOP and try to crush anyone and everyone

triple barrel hard then go home haha
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2012, 09:54:17 PM »

(this isn't a level is it?)

This isn't a level is it?
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2012, 09:56:44 PM »

HRV i think you may just be my new hero.

You love the game in a different way to many in the poker world.

Many love the game when they win, out of everyone i have seen at poker you take losing the best. I know for sure you'd rather get a hero move like this through once in a tourney than win the tourney.

You love the outplaying and fun side of the game regardless of the result, which is good because we are recreational players.

Sometimes in spots like this i have raised and gone down the streets adapting to live tells. without even looking at my cards, we've all heard the story (forgot the name) but when a player won the tourney without-looking at cards just playing positions etc.

If i could see their cards on the turn, i prob don't shove because the guy has K spades, and in these tourneys especially if there's a re-buy or add-on to come people just don't fold, you know that mate.

Pretty sure id do it over the 64 hand though.

Obv we both know that this is a fold pre, but if you get enjoyment from playing the game the way you do why stop, im sure in bigger comps this move would have got through, you just need to adapt to the £20 games and know ppl dont fold.

FWIW I know this isn't a level this guy is just a crazy hero!

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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2012, 09:58:16 PM »

Someone inform me what a level is please
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2012, 09:59:58 PM »

Someone inform me what a level is please

this has to be a level!
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 10:08:24 PM »

Just read this on another forum think it might be the same hand. Think he talking about you!

THREAD TITLE: Perfect Reads good enough

okay this makes me well happy. live tourney I have myself down as a decent person for live reads at the table, ive seen this one guy showdown with 77 on 234KQ all streets vs A5
and hes  been seeing about 1:7 flops. He is wearing a hoody and looks young with a bit of game in the tank

RIGHT THE HAND IN QUESTION...

Ive got  
the table maniac is an old Italian looking guy and is hyper aggressive/passive after 4th street he limps for 200
folds to the crazy young guy in the HIJACK  makes it 500 to play knowing I will probably respect him
Folds to me, I flat, because i know hes going to barrell all streets so if my 6 high hits i may be good.

level 3 100/200 30 min clock £20 1R/A (10k stacks)
me 10700
bb 14k
utg just under 10k


FLOP   1600 in pot

BINGO IVE HIT A 4, THE YOUNG GUY WILL PAY ME!
I tank 10 seconds before checking to level the guy into being sure im weak (obv). utg checks. He leads 1/2 pot 800
I throws in the chips quite assertively, this makes him think that i have nothing and am setting him up for a C/R. (Inside im going all warm because my live reads tell me 6 4 is huge I'm good init)

UTG comes for the ride.
TURN CARD    4000 in pot

We both check again to crazy kid who leads for 900 wanting the C/R from me obv, now my reads tell me hes weak and ive got him on 7 or 9 high atm. I raise for value knowing hell re-jam obv.
I make it 3k
UTG now tank flats this bet like the maniac he is
Young crazy guy now SHIPS his 9k making it 6k more to me   BOOOOOOM (Caught Him) Pair of 4's looks huge! I tank call to drag the UTG guy in because my hand must be good (I have a tell)
UTG then decided he is coming along - DOUBLE BOOM - FIST PUMP!
I show down    WITH PRIDE
UTG shows    
Young crazy guy shows  two spades really slowly and looks like hes going to fall out of his chair at my amazeballs call.

RIVER  

SCOOOOP!

I have no explanation to how they made this play. I read him perfect knew hed spunk off with 9 high and set up the perfect hand with 6 high, brought him in. Glad i read his blonde post about playing 8 high the other day.

I found this hand so unorthodox it had to be posted, what a crazy individual.
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2012, 10:13:05 PM »

Hahahahahaha 
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2012, 10:14:46 PM »

Took me fooking ages!!
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2012, 11:58:33 PM »

Are you Cal Lightman?

Needs more love!

 
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2012, 03:44:03 AM »

Are you Cal Lightman?

nope!
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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2012, 03:45:06 AM »

Hes better than Cal Lightman

In fact he put him out of the job!
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