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Super 50 turbo last night. 10k start stack, 20 min blinds.
There are 25 left from 146 runners and 14 get paid. Min cash is 100 and 3.5k ftw.

I have just moved tables and only seen one round so far. The only other player i know well is on my direct right.  He is well known for being a fairly loose aggressive player and has a decent record in these comps. He definately sees me as tightish and presumes i aint gonna call light. He has just lost a flip for a 40k pot against a shorty.

Average stack is 55k at 2k-4k (500). I have 58k, villain has 50k

It folds round to villain in small blind and he quickly announces all in. my thoughts were he was waiting for the button to fold and he was gonna shove any two. What is your calling range given a call will double you up and give you a double average stack, will set you up well for a route to the final and will knock out one of the most decent players left and his range is probably very wide.

Any other thoughts / considerations given the situation explained?

Ax Kx 66+ for me

AX K6 Q9 22+

I'd hedge towards a tighter range here unless you're 100% certain of how he sees you.

If he's as aggro as you say you're going to get more chances to take his chips having direct position on him.

A6+, K10+, 55+ for me.

Any King+ / Q8+ / basically all the pairs.

Probs call about top 50% in this spot.

Though theoretically if he does have atc we can go wider, there is no guarentee he is that wide and if we are wrong in our assumption we can make pretty big mistakes calling too wide.

From what you have said, villian will be shoving with a minimum of the top 30% of hands, but may well be shoving as loosely as any two cards.
I'm going for a range of 66+, A7s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, A9o+, KJo+. (15% approx)
I may well be way too tight here, particularly with the lower pairs and raggy aces, but, i'm thinking that by ditching these we are less likely to be dominated, and are usually flipping at best with them anyway.
 Also, although we are in the danger zone, we will probably get decent opportunities to get our stack in with some fold equity in subsequent hands. On top of that, we are not too far from the min cash, which although not massive, is still a factor to consider before calling off our stack.
 Very good question though, certainly the type that i need to learn from.

@evil. Villain was greek jack.

I actually suspected he may not have actually loked at his cards but couldnt be sure.

Also, with there being ~10k in the middle every round we can work our way up gradually with picking the right spots. However a successful call in this spot does the same, if not a better job of 5 successful open shoves. I say better as it knocks out a dangerous oppo

Call

If you have anything higher than a jack.

QJo+QTs+ K7s+K9o+ A5o+ A2s+ 44+

Obviously don't call wider than 50%. We want a stack but no point needlessly throwing a good shot at a mincash/deep run away by going mental here.

Agree. Nice range Adam

22+, A2+, K2s+, K6+, Q5s+, Q8+, J9s+, JT, 9Ts

Something like that. Some of you are way too tight if he's virtually ATC and we're confident of that.

Certainly folding an Ace isn't an option!

So my 15 second dwell up with  Th Ad was a bit of a nit roll then?!

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Any a, k, q and probs j10 as well then assuming that you're sure he thinks you're a nit.

Personally i'd tighten it up a bit vs jack but that's because he knows i'll call him wide so he won't shove atc.

Jack doesn't shove worse than J10 does he? He can be aggressive but I don't think he's playing that full "internet" shove/fold range that you guys are giving him credit for. I think any ace is fine; K5s+; K7o+; Q9s+; QJo+; J10s+; 55+

After i called he said he was blind and showed  6c 5d

He of course hit runner runner for the straight, he always does!

Who do i send the 50p to? Difficult not to be results oriented when you play a couple of times a month

Calling with hands like 22, K4, Q8 here pretty bad imo. Stack is so important in these comps, having 12bigs is massive. The equity you gain from doubling is way less than the equity you lose by busting!

I'd be calling 55+, A2ss+ A6o+, K7ss, K9+, QTss+, QJo+ in this situation.

PS. ATo is the biggest nitroll ever

Having played with Jack/watched him on the stream, he loves the aggression, certainly in tournaments where he is comfortable. He opened Q8s and stuff in the chipleader final table etc. Ul, not that bad of a nitroll tbh, its always a call but who cares if you need to think about it.

Agree

I would have folded QK and A7 and lower plus also folding 66 and lower.

Alex makes a good point but also sometimes you gotta get it in with a call and this seemed a good spot. Just needed some thought. Its not a massive nit roll. I made an even worse one about an hour earlier :-)

It is  ;)

Sounds like his read was well off... ;)

I've been doing some pokerstoving and I think ~this should be our calling range:

33+, A2+, K4s+, K6+, Q7s+, Q9+, J9s+, JT, 9Ts

I don't understand why we would ever consider calling 22, and is it not an easy fold for 33 and 44?

Ive seen a few people call shoves with these hands as if its standard for 6-12bb, surely its not a good plan?

thats from a purely mathematical POV though right? and doesn't consider any other factors/

When facing a shove from a wide range, the small pairs play better as we are dominated a relatively small % of the time and favourite against every other hand with an overlay from the antes.

For example 44 plays better than a2o, j10o etc against 70% push ranges. Playing about with poker stove is enough to analyse this kind of stuff.

Fwiw I think people grossly overestimate their edge in these turbo tournaments and passing up the small edges is a mistake for "better spots".

never thought of it like that in terms of small pairs.  Like mr hopkin, i am folding them mosty in these spots.

might download poker stove and have a play.